Has Edge Gone From A Perceived Strength To An Absolute Weakness?

[phinsforlife]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[mwestberry]

You're right about the overall expectation and perceived weakness heading into the season.

Personally, I thought the D would need 4-6 weeks to gel. I didn't think the offense would start the season flat and "looking" unprepared.

It sucks to have invested the value and money for a supposed strength to build the team for the future, only to find the idea/plan decimated before the season was half over.

I still believe the team can play competitive ball.
I also believe that it lacks a solid core on O or D, so there is little to build on.

Even with all the horse trading and jockeying around in the draft, and the lavish amounts of money spent on players and the stadium, it seems the team is stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe a resurgence from the McDolphins is on the horizon. Life without Hill and regression from the QB position has forced his hand.

 

[phinsforlife]

You're right about the overall expectation and perceived weakness heading into the season.

Personally, I thought the D would need 4-6 weeks to gel. I didn't think the offense would start the season flat and "looking" unprepared.

It sucks to have invested the value and money for a supposed strength to build the team for the future, only to find the idea/plan decimated before the season was half over.

I still believe the team can play competitive ball.
I also believe that it lacks a solid core on O or D, so there is little to build on.

Even with all the horse trading and jockeying around in the draft, and the lavish amounts of money spent on players and the stadium, it seems the team is stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe a resurgence from the McDolphins is on the horizon. Life without Hill and regression from the QB position has forced his hand.

The point about the ability to play competitive ball is interesting. Even with all the mistakes, the team give or take has appeared "competitive" for lack of a better term. But I think that is an illusion. The schedule has been a joke. We can be regular season competitive against a group of mediocre teams. But you put us against a playoff type team, that treated the game like a playoff game and showed up and tried, I think you would find we are miles away. A record that is close to .500 can sometimes be very misleading.

 

[royalshank]

And what about Mathew Judon? He truly has nothing left in the tank or so it has appeared all year.

 

[REAL DEAL]

You're right about the overall expectation and perceived weakness heading into the season.

Personally, I thought the D would need 4-6 weeks to gel. I didn't think the offense would start the season flat and "looking" unprepared.

It sucks to have invested the value and money for a supposed strength to build the team for the future, only to find the idea/plan decimated before the season was half over.

I still believe the team can play competitive ball.
I also believe that it lacks a solid core on O or D, so there is little to build on.

Even with all the horse trading and jockeying around in the draft, and the lavish amounts of money spent on players and the stadium, it seems the team is stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe a resurgence from the McDolphins is on the horizon. Life without Hill and regression from the QB position has forced his hand.

I agree with your time period for the D to gel. I believe there were 7 new players on D to start the season. I still believe this is a soft rebuild, with the ideal of a 2027 run.

 

[hmichaels]

if 2 veterans recovering from ACL tears was "loaded"

 

[phinsforlife]

And what about Mathew Judon? He truly has nothing left in the tank or so it has appeared all year.

Agree. I didn't even think worth mentioning. Just a body at this point. Nobody even wanted the guy at the trade deadline.

 

[phinsforlife]

if 2 veterans recovering from ACL tears was "loaded"

fair point but that was the presumption. just like grier always seemed to presume the OL will be good and prior injury history is irrelevant

 

[The Captain]

Even with all the horse trading and jockeying around in the draft, and the lavish amounts of money spent on players and the stadium, it seems the team is stuck in mediocrity.

Maybe a resurgence from the McDolphins is on the horizon. Life without Hill and regression from the QB position has forced his hand.

Superior coaching can do quite a lot to improve the performance of many mediocre-seeming players, I've seen this numerous times. I don't believe that the Dolphins' playing personnel is really inferior overall, however there does seem to be an issue with consistent coaching leadership.

 

[eMCee85]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

As I'm sure you remember, I was never one thinking our d line was a strength. I knew Phillips and Chubb were going to be shells of themselves. And I'm actually surprised at chubb being a little better than I expected. But as far as Chop, I didn't expect anything from him. And the only one on the line worth a damn being sieler...

Now the rooks get some time to grow for sure but I never thought they would be a strength.

You're right, grier really left us in a huuuuuuuuuge hole to climb out of. I'm just so dumbfounded at how he lasted so long

 

[phinsforlife]

As I'm sure you remember, I was never one thinking our d line was a strength. I knew Phillips and Chubb were going to be shells of themselves. And I'm actually surprised at chubb being a little better than I expected. But as far as Chop, I didn't expect anything from him. And the only one on the line worth a damn being sieler...

Now the rooks get some time to grow for sure but I never thought they would be a strength.

You're right, grier really left us in a huuuuuuuuuge hole to climb out of. I'm just so dumbfounded at how he lasted so lon

yup. chubb btw has been pretty poor too. i guess if your expectations were he wouldnt make it back on the field, he exceeded those, but otherwise, yuck too!

 

[eMCee85]

yup. chubb btw has been pretty poor too. i guess if your expectations were he wouldnt make it back on the field, he exceeded those, but otherwise, yuck too!

Well he's got 5 sacks and a FF. I didn't think he would get to those numbers! Haha. But yeah his numbers are very very low this year

 

[67Stang]

That actually starts up front. The rookies had a bit of a growing curve and have started to play better. The DL you effected both Seiler and our pass rushers.

 

[Danny]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I think Edge should be high on the list for the offseason. DT we need to give the young guys a chance. We drafted 3 of them so DT should not be a priority

 

[Mach2]

I think Edge should be high on the list for the offseason. DT we need to give the young guys a chance. We drafted 3 of them so DT should not be a priority

When you say high on the list, are you thinking rd1 high? Rd2? Impact FA?

I'm thinking Oline and Corner are higher priorities.