Has Edge Gone From A Perceived Strength To An Absolute Weakness?

[SF Dolphin Fan]

So much so, I think it may be the biggest priority for the 2026 draft. Unless you put quarterback first, although I think Miami can wait until 2027 to find Tua’s replacement.

Miami may be out of range for the the top DE's, but I like the idea of strengthing the front seven and this looks Ike a great linebacker draft.

 

[Michael Scott]

It’s a high priority position and a major weakness. Chubb is about to be 30 and there’s an out in his contract if I’m not mistaken. JP is gone (rightfully so). Chop looks like if we’re lucky he’ll be a good situational pass rusher — a rotation piece at best. He’s shown zero improvement in setting the edge and looks to be a one trick pony as a pass rusher. All of my excitement that I had for Chop is completely gone. I’d sell low on him if a team made an offer for a day 2 selection. When he’s on the field I don’t even notice him.

We need to add multiple pass rushers in the offseason, preferably a vet and a day one or day two prospects.

Edit: “day 2”

 

[McGaniel]

I thought our edge was going to be a significant weakness coming into the season. With Chop still an unknown and our two starters returning from severe injuries, my expectations were cautiously low.

We chose Chop in 2024 primarily because of Phillips' ACL injury. Unfortunately, Phillips' Achilles tear was another brutal blow, and I anticipated that he would never quite return to his former self. I'm glad we were able to get some value for him before his play inevitably declined, and I wish him all the best in Philly.

On a brighter note, I believe Chubb is finally getting back to his usual form and should be just fine moving forward. This is what I had hoped for this year. As for Chop, he needs to learn to stay under control. If you watch his tape, you'll see that he's incredibly explosive but often ends up off his feet, taking himself out of the play. I am optimistic that this can be addressed through coaching, and that both Chubb and Chop will start producing consistently.

 

[eMCee85]

I'm so phucking tired of having to draft the same damn positions because of the worst roster management in the history of sports. We should be drafting LBs and skill players but noooooooo, Ross loves grier

 

[Arnsy]

I thought our edge was going to be a significant weakness coming into the season. With Chop still an unknown and our two starters returning from severe injuries, my expectations were cautiously low.

We chose Chop in 2024 primarily because of Phillips' ACL injury. Unfortunately, Phillips' Achilles tear was another brutal blow, and I anticipated that he would never quite return to his former self. I'm glad we were able to get some value for him before his play inevitably declined, and I wish him all the best in Philly.

On a brighter note, I believe Chubb is finally getting back to his usual form and should be just fine moving forward. This is what I had hoped for this year. As for Chop, he needs to learn to stay under control. If you watch his tape, you'll see that he's incredibly explosive but often ends up off his feet, taking himself out of the play. I am optimistic that this can be addressed through coaching, and that both Chubb and Chop will start producing consistently.

What’s his usual form? He’s been meh since he got here.

An error in judgement acquiring him.

As for Chop… he’s Eric Kumerow, Dion Jordan, Charles Harris 2.0.

I admire your optimism on both fronts.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

I have no data on run success for runs between tackles and on the edge. I'll not say the edge is good, but I don't know about "absolute weakness." Pass rush is a different matter. How much is talent, how much is coaching, how much is supporting cast, I have no idea. PHI seems to be getting more out of JP.

I agree, edge is a disappointment. I expected at least NFL average pass rush. On the bright side, Miami's edge is probably leading the league in dropping into coverage

 

[Mach2]

I'm so phucking tired of having to draft the same damn positions because of the worst roster management in the history of sports. We should be drafting LBs and skill players but noooooooo, Ross loves grier

BREAKING NEWS.......

Dateline: Miami Gardens......

Chris Grier no longer GM of Miami Dolphins......

 

[phinsforlife]

It’s a high priority position and a major weakness. Chubb is about to be 30 and there’s an out in his contract if I’m not mistaken. JP is gone (rightfully so). Chop looks like if we’re lucky he’ll be a good situational pass rusher — a rotation piece at best. He’s shown zero improvement in setting the edge and looks to be a one trick pony as a pass rusher. All of my excitement that I had for Chop is completely gone. I’d sell low on him if a team made an offer for a day selection. When he’s on the field I don’t even notice him.

We need to add multiple pass rushers in the offseason, preferably a vet and a day one or day two prospects.

agree. this is the problem. we are very deficient in several key position groups again. ideally, would like to go BPA. edge is just such a shame after all the resource we put into it, now we seemingly have gotten almost nothing and need to start all over. these errors compound too, because you take a guy like chop, and we passed on some great CBs for example, and we are also deficient at that position. it was the same this year, take grant and pass on warren, for example, and we are nowhere at the TE position.

 

[dolfan91]

It depends on what is loaded vs loaded

 

[dolfan91]

An edge player or someone who can be the replacement for the Wilkins /Campbell role on the defense, which would be a true DE on the bigger side.

Unless of course they decide another Oline or DB is too good to pass up.

 

[eMCee85]

BREAKING NEWS.......

Dateline: Miami Gardens......

Chris Grier no longer GM of Miami Dolphins......

I understand that. But even now that he's gone, we still have to pick the same positions because they're still a need.
Hopefully we actually get it right moving forward. I do worry though that Grier was just just one head out of a three headed snake so for me, it will be very interesting to see the new draft pattern.

 

[Mach2]

I understand that. But even now that he's gone, we still have to pick the same positions because they're still a need.
Hopefully we actually get it right moving forward. I do worry though that Grier was just just one head out of a three headed snake so for me, it will be very interesting to see the new draft pattern.

I get it.

While I'm cautiously optimistic that we can get back on a productive path/plan, I have no delusions that it will be some one off-season miracle turnaround.

Having said that, I believe Grier's lack of vision, leadership and sound decision making are primarily responsible for this quagmire, but rehashing, or lamenting the past is pointless.

I would rather look at it as a fresh start perspective. I know there are those who foist a lot of blame on McD and Ross, but I believe the biggest obstacle to building a quality and consistent team has been excised.

 

[zullo1]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Yes, the entire DL and Edge is a sh!tshow and will need to be addressed in the off-season.

 

[Mr Fan]

The idea going into the year was that our loaded DL, especially Edge, was meant to overwhelm opposing offenses and make life easy for the secondary that we didn't have.

Well, it turned out to be quite the opposite. The secondary has been representative, and our DL and Edge, nowhere to be found.

Specifically with regard to Edge, we started the year with Jaelen Phillips, Chubb, and Chop. JP is gone, Chop has been really bad and is not getting to the passer or setting the edge and has graded out 104 of 116 (thread on him here: https://finheaven.com/threads/current-expectations-for-chop-at-this-point.389225/), and Chubb has graded out 102 of 116. Jaelen Phillips graded out 35 of 116, and he is the one we traded.

I think it is not arguable that the perceived strength has turned into an absolute weakness. One more Grier special. It is quite possible, going into next year, after a massive investment in the position which includes dollars and draft capital (JP first round, Chop first round, Chubb traded away a first and paid him bigly), we have NOTHING at the position.

Grier is quite the miracle worker to have pulled this one off. Just like the OL where once again, after all of that, we may need a RT, RG and LG.

PS odds we solve for Edge next year by paying a FA more than we needed to pay JP, and that player turns out worse than JP? That would be soooo Dolphins.

PPS on a related note, given the interior DL matters too, high first rounder on Grant, and we paid Seiler and he falls of the cliff. Add it to the list.

Happy Thanksgiving!

First problem is the term Edge, what exactly is an Edge? Stupid designation that used today that makes little sense to me. Are they a DE? or an OLB? I think this lack of specifics causes issues for one simple reason, what are you actually trying to do with that position?

I see guys like Chop, who is an OLB build, but plays DE, which isn't very logical. I think the team needs to clean up the whole nomenclature so they actually know what they are trying to do, instead of drafting "tweeners", which is what I think an edge really is for the most part on this team. Too small be a DE and too stiff or dumb to be able to cover effectively as an OLB.

 

[Mach2]

Yes, the entire DL and Edge is a sh!tshow and will need to be addressed in the off-season.

I believe the interior is going to be OK. You have 3 rookies getting invaluable snaps/ experience. They have noticably improved. So no, they aren't the "shitshow" that needs overhauled as you purport, IMO.

I realize ppl have ample reason to be frustrated and critical.

Some, however, take the negativity too far, seeing nothing but garbage in anything Phin related.

Not sure I could derive any enjoyment from being a fan with that mindset.