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I was thinking back to Alabama (who I can't stand) and their National Championship loss to Clemson. A lot of things were stated after that game by Clemson Players:

“Really, we knew that he wasn’t reading the defenses that well in the backfield,” former Clemson defensive lineman Bert Huggins said. “So, we were disguising the defense pretty well and then we would move into a different defense. He just couldn’t read the defense.”

Clemson linebacker Kendall Joseph credited defensive coordinator Brent Venables for exhausting game planning.

“We understand what he wanted to do and we wanted to exploit it,” Joseph said. “It started with trying to knock him off rhythm and get some pressure and get some hits on him and try to rattle the quarterback and I think we did a good job of that.” https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/n...mson-defenders-exploited-weakness-discovered/

My point is that Tua had amazing receivers and talent around him at Alabama. Similarly in 2023 with Hill and Waddle, before the new motion rules were instituted. In both cases he was and is IMHO mostly a first read QB with innate abilities to quickly get the ball out with anticipation accurately. The motion rules and the league catching up to this severely hampered his ability to be a consistently winning QB in this league. Howard, his former teammate eluded to this our first game of the year, stating that Tua panics when you take away his first read.

I mean this is going into his 6th season and he is having the same exact issues he did in college. My honest question here is has he progressed at all?
 
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djphinfan said:
No disrespect to the OP, All these topics circle back to a lack of work ethic relative to genetics.
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After the undisclosed hip injury in 2024, he was never the same player. There was a noticeable drop off in his arm strength. I know you believe he is simply the laziest dude ever, but his body is 100% cooked. Between the concussions and the hip injury there is simply nothing left in the tank. I would totally agree he mailed it in last year, but even then he is a shell of the 19 year old kid playing at Alabama.
 
ThePeopleShow13 said:
After the undisclosed hip injury in 2024, he was never the same player. There was a noticeable drop off in his arm strength. I know you believe he is simply the laziest dude ever, but his body is 100% cooked. Between the concussions and the hip injury there is simply nothing left in the tank. I would totally agree he mailed it in last year, but even then he is a shell of the 19 year old kid playing at Alabama.
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The hip injury definitely hurt, but I think the concussions took a toll as well. He isn't reading the field nearly as well the past two years. I would be shocked if he isn't diagnosed with CTE at some point. He really should medically retire.
 
He lost some pop in an already mediocre arm and was never the same after the hip injury. I would have liked to see what he was like had Satan pulled him in the blow out win but we'll never know now. The moment he popped his hip the Fins should have switched to another QB target.

Easy to say in hindsight but huge red flags for me after the hip thing.
 
ThePeopleShow13 said:
After the undisclosed hip injury in 2024, he was never the same player. There was a noticeable drop off in his arm strength. I know you believe he is simply the laziest dude ever, but his body is 100% cooked. Between the concussions and the hip injury there is simply nothing left in the tank. I would totally agree he mailed it in last year, but even then he is a shell of the 19 year old kid playing at Alabama.
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Bro when you had injury to overcome you work harder not less

Ain’t no’one gonna convince that a 26 year old body who competes at the nfl level who dances around jumps around celebrating can’t make his body stronger and faster, he absolutely can



Doctors cleared him means he’s ok nothing is gonna get worse.


Dont fall for it
 
67Stang said:
I was thinking back to Alabama (who I can't stand) and their National Championship loss to Clemson. A lot of things were stated after that game by Clemson Players:

“Really, we knew that he wasn’t reading the defenses that well in the backfield,” former Clemson defensive lineman Bert Huggins said. “So, we were disguising the defense pretty well and then we would move into a different defense. He just couldn’t read the defense.”

Clemson linebacker Kendall Joseph credited defensive coordinator Brent Venables for exhausting game planning.

“We understand what he wanted to do and we wanted to exploit it,” Joseph said. “It started with trying to knock him off rhythm and get some pressure and get some hits on him and try to rattle the quarterback and I think we did a good job of that.” https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/n...mson-defenders-exploited-weakness-discovered/

My point is that Tua had amazing receivers and talent around him at Alabama. Similarly in 2023 with Hill and Waddle, before the new motion rules were instituted. In both cases he was and is IMHO mostly a first read QB with innate abilities to quickly get the ball out with anticipation accurately. The motion rules and the league catching up to this severely hampered his ability to be a consistently winning QB in this league. Howard, his former teammate eluded to this our first game of the year, stating that Tua panics when you take away his first read.

I mean this is going into his 6th season and he is having the same exact issues he did in college. My honest question here is has he progressed at all?
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Watching him throw the ball at Bama vs last season is night and day difference. And his mobility is night and day.

The injuries have affected him and taking its toll early. Last season his arm and his lack of mobility looked dead like Brees or Peyton Manning on their last season.

It's just wild that it's happening so fast. Dude should be in his prime still, he's not even 30 yet. But we saw Sam Bradford have a similar type career.
 
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67Stang said:
I was thinking back to Alabama (who I can't stand) and their National Championship loss to Clemson. A lot of things were stated after that game by Clemson Players:

“Really, we knew that he wasn’t reading the defenses that well in the backfield,” former Clemson defensive lineman Bert Huggins said. “So, we were disguising the defense pretty well and then we would move into a different defense. He just couldn’t read the defense.”

Clemson linebacker Kendall Joseph credited defensive coordinator Brent Venables for exhausting game planning.

“We understand what he wanted to do and we wanted to exploit it,” Joseph said. “It started with trying to knock him off rhythm and get some pressure and get some hits on him and try to rattle the quarterback and I think we did a good job of that.” https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/n...mson-defenders-exploited-weakness-discovered/

My point is that Tua had amazing receivers and talent around him at Alabama. Similarly in 2023 with Hill and Waddle, before the new motion rules were instituted. In both cases he was and is IMHO mostly a first read QB with innate abilities to quickly get the ball out with anticipation accurately. The motion rules and the league catching up to this severely hampered his ability to be a consistently winning QB in this league. Howard, his former teammate eluded to this our first game of the year, stating that Tua panics when you take away his first read.

I mean this is going into his 6th season and he is having the same exact issues he did in college. My honest question here is has he progressed at all?
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I think this is spot on. I have it on good authority from an NFL insider, prior to the Dolphins drafting Tua, that many in the NFL were down on Tua having nothing to do with his injury issues.

Apparently, he could not process an offense well, including even a simpler college offense. I was told Sarkisian who was the Bama OC at the time had to really simplify the offense for Tua. Then we also saw his wonderlic score, which although not a perfect indicator, seemed consistent with this point, and then ultimately consistent with what other players in the NFL have said about Tua "HE IS A ONE READ QB." Again none of this has to do with injury.

If you followed his college career, he took the world by surprise in that first championship game when he came off the bench. But after that, he looked less good. He still looked very good, but was surrounded by men playing against boys. But when Bama played better teams, his performance really did regress.

I think he was an optical illusion all along. Looked much better at Bama than what he really was. Then his one year of real NFL success, which was about a half a season of success and then fell apart against better teams toward the end of the season when it mattered most, was really due to Tyreek Hill and a McDaniel system that had everyone fooled for awhile. Once that got figured out, it was the beginning of the end.

I think too many excuses have been made for Tua, including the injury thing. I think reality is, he was never as good as people thought to begin with, and very limited, including especially his ability to process the game, which has zero to do with injury or size or strength or scrambling ability.
 
67Stang said:
I was thinking back to Alabama (who I can't stand) and their National Championship loss to Clemson. A lot of things were stated after that game by Clemson Players:

“Really, we knew that he wasn’t reading the defenses that well in the backfield,” former Clemson defensive lineman Bert Huggins said. “So, we were disguising the defense pretty well and then we would move into a different defense. He just couldn’t read the defense.”

Clemson linebacker Kendall Joseph credited defensive coordinator Brent Venables for exhausting game planning.

“We understand what he wanted to do and we wanted to exploit it,” Joseph said. “It started with trying to knock him off rhythm and get some pressure and get some hits on him and try to rattle the quarterback and I think we did a good job of that.” https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/n...mson-defenders-exploited-weakness-discovered/

My point is that Tua had amazing receivers and talent around him at Alabama. Similarly in 2023 with Hill and Waddle, before the new motion rules were instituted. In both cases he was and is IMHO mostly a first read QB with innate abilities to quickly get the ball out with anticipation accurately. The motion rules and the league catching up to this severely hampered his ability to be a consistently winning QB in this league. Howard, his former teammate eluded to this our first game of the year, stating that Tua panics when you take away his first read.

I mean this is going into his 6th season and he is having the same exact issues he did in college. My honest question here is has he progressed at all?
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His bank account has....
 
Agreed OP, lack of due diligence by the Fo and fan base. I'm sure if the fan base wasn't salivating over tua, Grier would have felt less pressure. This corroborates the theory I've had all along with Tua and that's the fact that he doesn't have the mental capabilities to perform at this position. He's never had the mental acuity to be a successful Qb. I shared my concerns of this after they drafted him.

Which is why again I find it hilarious how some folks on here would tout how Tua has elite processing... mmmhmm sure 😆🤭

Nah tua has mastered the "no think" game and fooled lots of people here everytime he would robotically turn his head away from his target to only go back and make a beautiful timed throw.
 
phinsforlife said:
I think this is spot on. I have it on good authority from an NFL insider, prior to the Dolphins drafting Tua, that many in the NFL were down on Tua having nothing to do with his injury issues.

Apparently, he could not process an offense well, including even a simpler college offense. I was told Sarkisian who was the Bama OC at the time had to really simplify the offense for Tua. Then we also saw his wonderlic score, which although not a perfect indicator, seemed consistent with this point, and then ultimately consistent with what other players in the NFL have said about Tua "HE IS A ONE READ QB." Again none of this has to do with injury.

If you followed his college career, he took the world by surprise in that first championship game when he came off the bench. But after that, he looked less good. He still looked very good, but was surrounded by men playing against boys. But when Bama played better teams, his performance really did regress.

I think he was an optical illusion all along. Looked much better at Bama than what he really was. Then his one year of real NFL success, which was about a half a season of success and then fell apart against better teams toward the end of the season when it mattered most, was really due to Tyreek Hill and a McDaniel system that had everyone fooled for awhile. Once that got figured out, it was the beginning of the end.

I think too many excuses have been made for Tua, including the injury thing. I think reality is, he was never as good as people thought to begin with, and very limited, including especially his ability to process the game, which has zero to do with injury or size or strength or scrambling ability.
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Well said; 100% agree...


Again to emphasize your final point.

"I think reality is, he was never as good as people thought to begin with, and very limited, including especially his ability to process the game, which has zero to do with injury or size or strength or scrambling ability."
 
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