Has Tua really progressed at all?

[Vaark]

Bottom Line! He's not that smart in any IQ quotient especially the football one In general, let alone to compensate for his physical challenges!

 

[gofins60]

I always find it interesting that people attribute the league “figuring out Tua” as the only reason we struggled. Tua doesn’t call the plays. The league figured out our gimmick offense. McDaniel’s play calling and weak passing concepts offense is just as much of a reason this team struggled for the last 2.5 years.

Right, McDaniel is the one who was figured out. However, once that happened, then Tua started showing that he couldn't do things that most other QBs can do. IOW, just like McDaniel, Tua was only good at certain things if everything was perfect but take away what he wanted to do and he was lost. And to make matters even worse, his concussions and hip injury turned him into a QB that could barely even throw the ball.

 

[Highzenga]

Was on the way to the #1 seed? LOL. We didn't even win our own division. Who did we beat that year? The Cowboys? The league figured out exactly what I am saying with Tua and he got shutdown the last part of the season. With the AFC East on the line the last 2 games, he threw 4 ints. With the deciding game against the Bills the last game for the AFC East at home, he went 17/27 for 173 yards 1TD and 2 Ints. He put up gaudy stats against bad teams early and has been below average ever since, especially against above .500 teams.

He has not progressed at all, exactly what Xavien Howard said the first game last year against the Colts.

We were signing players to start for us in a playoff game off the street. Did you watch highlights that year or did you actually watch the games?

 

[AquaBlissed888]

Bottom Line! He's not that smart in any IQ quotient especially the football one In general, let alone to compensate for his physical challenges!

This must be highlighted again and again. People continue to talk about his body and what if he never injured his hip. Oh please, this all a moot point behind the elephant in the room which is what you mentioned here! He doesn't have the tools upstairs to be a sustaining successful qb. Even in college, the good defenses figured him out, which I was not aware of this until recently as I didn't watch college ball intimately like some folks here. His limitations of the mind has followed him to the pro level. Now that's obvious to many, the comparisons of him potentially being a Brees and calling him an elite processor, can be put to rest.

Phewee, it's been exhausting continuing to highlight this over the years and having it fall on deaf ears or being called a hater. Thankfully that's no the case anymore. New timeline ahead without Tua is quite exciting!

 

[AquaBlissed888]

I think this is spot on. I have it on good authority from an NFL insider, prior to the Dolphins drafting Tua, that many in the NFL were down on Tua having nothing to do with his injury issues.

Apparently, he could not process an offense well, including even a simpler college offense. I was told Sarkisian who was the Bama OC at the time had to really simplify the offense for Tua. Then we also saw his wonderlic score, which although not a perfect indicator, seemed consistent with this point, and then ultimately consistent with what other players in the NFL have said about Tua "HE IS A ONE READ QB." Again none of this has to do with injury.

If you followed his college career, he took the world by surprise in that first championship game when he came off the bench. But after that, he looked less good. He still looked very good, but was surrounded by men playing against boys. But when Bama played better teams, his performance really did regress.

I think he was an optical illusion all along. Looked much better at Bama than what he really was. Then his one year of real NFL success, which was about a half a season of success and then fell apart against better teams toward the end of the season when it mattered most, was really due to Tyreek Hill and a McDaniel system that had everyone fooled for awhile. Once that got figured out, it was the beginning of the end.

I think too many excuses have been made for Tua, including the injury thing. I think reality is, he was never as good as people thought to begin with, and very limited, including especially his ability to process the game, which has zero to do with injury or size or strength or scrambling ability.

Bumping again for the disillusionment to clear and we can hopefully unify and move on to new beginnings. Envisioning a timeline much less polarizing than how it's been with tua. I can't recall another player in my time as a fan that's more polarizing and detrimental to this franchise as he's been. Remember he was in the collective fan's awareness a year or two prior, hyping up the infamous "tank for Tua".... Oh how humbling

 

[AquaBlissed888]

Maybe fair to some degree. But he is neither big or fast enough to be much of a scrambling QB at the NFL level. So maybe it took a little away from him, but I do not think in the 80/20 of the problem. He just was never the guy people thought he was. If a college offense needs to be dumbed down for you you have issues. If guys in the NFL are still calling you a one read QB 4-5 years into your career when you should have learned, you got issues. The whole thing imo was an illusion and mistake from day 1, irrespective of injury

& the cognitive dissonance is f a d i n g. Another bump for resonance.

 

[67Stang]

We were signing players to start for us in a playoff game off the street. Did you watch highlights that year or did you actually watch the games?

I actually watched the games and have watched the games ever since and before. This coming from a guy who called Grier a top 10 GM last year. What is Tua's record again against above .500 teams?

 

[NFL]

I actually watched the games and have watched the games ever since and before. This coming from a guy who called Grier a top 10 GM last year. What is Tua's record again against above .500 teams?

Top 10 AFC East GM.