Help differences between teams?

[ANUFan]

So i'm watching this NFLN special on belicheck and he's coaching his team on various situations: if it's 3 and 1 and 20 seconds left what do you do? Obviously he is not the only coach that does things like that so...

How can one team be so good at things like game planning against other teams, evaluating personnel etc Yet other teams not be as good? We're talking about professionals, how could the disparities be so big? What am i not seeing as a fan? especially when you hear that talent differences are not that big amongst teams.

 

[hightempo]

So i'm watching this NFLN special on belicheck and he's coaching his team on various situations: if it's 3 and 1 and 20 seconds left what do you do? Obviously he is not the only coach that does things like that so...

How can one team be so good at things like game planning against other teams, evaluating personnel etc Yet other teams not be as good? We're talking about professionals, how could the disparities be so big? What am i not seeing as a fan? especially when you hear that talent differences are not that big amongst teams.

how can some doctors suck? or some lawyers suck? or anybody suck at their job for that matter? i mean they are professionals right? and everybody trusts their doctors opinion right? i got news man. its the 80/20 rule. and just cause somebody does something it doesnt make them great at what they do.

just because tony sparano is a head coach in the nfl does not mean he is a great head coach. we would assume he is. we would hope and think he should be. but thats just simply not the case. just cause he can do the job does not mean he can do it well.

so as far as the situational thing - it might seem like a great idea and it makes sense to you and me - i promise u every head coach in this league does not do things like that. belicheck is a teacher. nick saban was a teacher. its their focus. not every head coach is like this.

and the talent gap really IS that large. thats why some guys just consistently ARE that good. thats why no matter where they go they will win. look at sabans career in college. look at jimmy johnsons career. u can even look at belichecks defense in cleveland. there is a talent gap. and the 80/20 rule applies here as well.

probably about 20% of NFL head coaches are ACTUALLY really good NFL head coaches. unfortunately sparano is a part of the other 80%

 

[DKphin]

Probably about 20% of NFL head coaches are ACTUALLY really good NFL head coaches. unfortunately sparano is a part of the other 80%

I am in total agreement with you on that.

 

[ANUFan]

Thanks for the insight.....i'm tired of seeing certain teams always looking superior year in and year out! And we're not amongst them.

 

[jtoomuch]

I get the 80/20 rule for most jobs, but I think these guys are supposed to be the 32 best head coaches in the country.

 

[Dr. Phin]

I get the 80/20 rule for most jobs, but I think these guys are supposed to be the 32 best head coaches in the country.

Well, they aren't. They are part of "good ol boys" clubs. If they were the best coaches, you would have coaches that have moved up the ranks from college etc because of performance. With the NFL, you get guys who are ex-players or have moved up within an organization...where maybe just the owner likes them. Forget about the best...they are just the guys "in the club."

 

[SRM]

Just how it goes, some guys are better at their jobs than others. Dan Henning is a different story though.. at no point was that guy capable of being an OC in the NFL. Not even college.

 

[hightempo]

Well, they aren't. They are part of "good ol boys" clubs. If they were the best coaches, you would have coaches that have moved up the ranks from college etc because of performance. With the NFL, you get guys who are ex-players or have moved up within an organization...where maybe just the owner likes them. Forget about the best...they are just the guys "in the club."

agree. there is a lot of truth to this. and sometimes the people making decisions simply dont understand what it takes to become an elite coach. so they get it wrong. the same way GMs miss on talent or quarterbacks so often. over the years the way quarterback play has been evaluated has been simply ignorant. these same mistakes are made with head coaches. picking the wrong guy cripples an organization much longer than picking the wrong quarterback does.

look no further than dave wandstedt in miami. and seriously what was pittsburgh thinking when they hired him? did they honestly expect the results to be any different? hes just not a head coach. hes a role player. nothing more.

saban would have been successful in the NFL. he needed a good personal guy tho to work hand in hand with, and hed have to put his ego aside just a bit to do that.

the miami situation wasnt ideal. the talent on the roster was aging. and the cupboard was pretty empty. saban will be back in the NFL, and i wouldnt be a bit surprised if he has success.

 

[hightempo]

Well, they aren't. They are part of "good ol boys" clubs. If they were the best coaches, you would have coaches that have moved up the ranks from college etc because of performance. With the NFL, you get guys who are ex-players or have moved up within an organization...where maybe just the owner likes them. Forget about the best...they are just the guys "in the club."

and to continue what i was saying look no further than our ignorant choice to pick cam cameron over mike tomlin as well. just so foolish. i simply dont understand how the people making the decisions here. decided to pass on tomlin for cameron. i understand we needed offense. i get it. but shouldnt it have been clear right away that mike tomlin had the ability to win a locker room?? to get a team to play for him? that his youth and passion and excitement for the game would allow him not only to turn the fortunes of the franchise but ALSO remain in place for a long period of time? so that we could create some consistency?

how could they possibly believe the same things about cameron?? cameron isnt a head coach. he was never going to be able to win a locker room, and he wasnt young enough to create stability. just a very very poor choice. and should have been an obvious one to those that had a chance to speak with these guys.

unfortunately tomlin was too "hip-hop" for joe bailey - what an idiot. in otherwords he was black and not old enough. just bull****. and should show you how ignorant the people making these decisions can be. and the stupid **** they use to "evaluate" or make their decision. THEY dont even know what it takes. and THEY are the ones making the choice.

we as fans dont deserve the futility. but we as an organization certainly do. when we make decisions based on such inconsequential things.

 

[thevegasphinfan]

Well, they aren't. They are part of "good ol boys" clubs. If they were the best coaches, you would have coaches that have moved up the ranks from college etc because of performance. With the NFL, you get guys who are ex-players or have moved up within an organization...where maybe just the owner likes them. Forget about the best...they are just the guys "in the club."

While I can agree that it is a good ol' boys club out there in all of the professional sports, BB never would have received his second and third chance if it were not for this club. Also there are alot of really good, elite even, college coaches who are just that and never will be good or elite on the Pro level.

 

[hightempo]

and to continue what i was saying look no further than our ignorant choice to pick cam cameron over mike tomlin as well. just so foolish. i simply dont understand how the people making the decisions here. decided to pass on tomlin for cameron. i understand we needed offense. i get it. but shouldnt it have been clear right away that mike tomlin had the ability to win a locker room?? to get a team to play for him? that his youth and passion and excitement for the game would allow him not only to turn the fortunes of the franchise but ALSO remain in place for a long period of time? so that we could create some consistency?

how could they possibly believe the same things about cameron?? cameron isnt a head coach. he was never going to be able to win a locker room, and he wasnt young enough to create stability. just a very very poor choice. and should have been an obvious one to those that had a chance to speak with these guys.

unfortunately tomlin was too "hip-hop" for joe bailey - what an idiot. in otherwords he was black and not old enough. just bull****. and should show you how ignorant the people making these decisions can be. and the stupid **** they use to "evaluate" or make their decision. THEY dont even know what it takes. and THEY are the ones making the choice.

we as fans dont deserve the futility. but we as an organization certainly do. when we make decisions based on such inconsequential things.

so i ask u are the best 32 coaches nfl head coaches when CLEARLY decisions are made based on these types of things? look no further than our own team. shouldnt it be clear??

80/20 rule most definitely applies. there are several poor head coaches in the NFL. and one of them is tony sparano. hes not the worst ok. hes ok. but hes just not the guy. hes not a guy thats gonna get it done at the end of the day.

hes like a journeyman quarterback. would u guys be happy with a journeyman qb? ur not happy with henne. wouldnt have been happy with orton (which is why ireland actually made the right choice here - but made a poor choice not picking mallett when he fell - because mallett actually has the potential to develop into a special player).

i dont get it. so many in here - never would be happy with a mediocre QB. but youll support a mediocre (really at best) coach. it STARTS with the coach folks. if that guy cant lead wtf difference does it make who ur QB is???

 

[hightempo]

While I can agree that it is a good ol' boys club out there in all of the professional sports, BB never would have received his second and third chance if it were not for this club. Also there are alot of really good, elite even, college coaches who are just that and never will be good or elite on the Pro level.

belicheck showed that potential tho when he was in cleveland. that defense became elite without elite talent. yes he was tinkering with the offense. but clearly he WAS correct in showing kosar the door and bringing in vinny. vinny was a really good athlete. and judging by his future success and longevity in the NFL. a pretty good QB too.

but browns fans loved kosar. and they thought testaverte was a bumb. they were wrong. belicheck "flashed" just like players "flash". unfortunately when players "flash" in miami we decide not to play them or we show them the door - so they can develop somewhere else. while we keep players on our roster that show nothing and with little upside.