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Henne cannot succeed in an offense tailored to Pennington.

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It just cant happen. Two completely different style quarterbacks. This offense is PERFECT for Penny, but almost the worst possible fit for Henne. Henne needs his receivers running Deep slants, daggers, digs, deep out, deep curls, Posts, Corners, etc. This offense has receivers running shallows, drags, 5 yard outs, curls, hitches, etc. Henne cannot do well with those routes. Its just not ever going to happen.
 
jlfin said:
Dispute his post with some objective reasoning. They are 2 entirely different QB's. His post was correct in that sense and you responded with silliness
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1. We don't know what Chad Henne can succeed/can't succeed in at an NFL level because he has yet to start an NFL game.

2. It's the same offense than Dan Henning ran in Carolina (with Tony Sparano's added influence and of course the WildCat from David Lee). Jake Delhomme didn't have any problem running that offense, in fact he had his best years in it, so did Steve Smith. The same can be said of Tony Romo while Sparano was calling plays Dallas.

3. I don't believe that Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland/Tony Sparano and the Dolphins coaching staff would have drafted Chad Henne if they did not believe he could not effectively run their offense and because they are paid to evaluate talent, pro talent, and that is their job and not this posters, i will go with them. Could they be wrong? Of course, but it's much too early to say.

So if Henne fails to effectively run this offense, it's because he's not a very good Quarterback. Please don't try to cushion his POSSIBLE failure with such ridiculous remarks.
 
RobertHorry said:
It just cant happen. Two completely different style quarterbacks. This offense is PERFECT for Penny, but almost the worst possible fit for Henne. Henne needs his receivers running Deep slants, daggers, digs, deep out, deep curls, Posts, Corners, etc. This offense has receivers running shallows, drags, 5 yard outs, curls, hitches, etc. Henne cannot do well with those routes. Its just not ever going to happen.
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you are correct that is why you will see different plays called now. I suspect that we will see the o a little more wide open from here on out.
 
So last week Pennington was holding back the offense, this week the offense is holding back Henne? This is ridiculous.

I do think that there is some truth in the spirit of your post though- it's the reality that we don't have a very talented offense and certainly receiving corps. I think that Pennington will work better with this offense than Henne, but that's because we have a lot of guys who aren't anything but possession receivers and one burner who is nothing but a bad receiver. Pennington's best all-time accuracy produces exceptionally even though there is not a legitimate threat on the roster.

But don't blame Pennington for the offense being "tailored" because the entire organization wants the most talent out there regardless of who the QB is. And considering Henne is their QB of the future and they haven't brought in free agents at receiver, the only guy they would be tailoring anything for would be Henne.
 
SpaceMountain16 said:
1. We don't know what Chad Henne can succeed/can't succeed in at an NFL level because he has yet to start an NFL game.

2. It's the same offense than Dan Henning ran in Carolina (with Tony Sparano's added influence and of course the WildCat from David Lee). Jake Delhomme didn't have any problem running that offense, in fact he had his best years in it, so did Steve Smith. The same can be said of Tony Romo while Sparano was calling plays there.

3. I don't believe that Bill Parcells/Jeff Ireland/Tony Sparano and the Dolphins coaching staff would have drafted Chad Henne if they did not believe he could not effectively run their offense and because they are paid to evaluate talent, pro talent, and that is their job and not this posters, i will go with them. Could they be wrong? Of course, but it's much too early to say.

So if Henne fails to effectively run this offense, it's because he's not a very good Quarterback. Please don't try to cushion his POSSIBLE failure with such ridiculous remarks.
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1. Sprarano called plays from an offense that barely resembled Hennings. Henne is not a Quarterback who drops back, scans the field, and throws it to someone who is completely one hundred percent open like Pennington. Henne finds a man getting the slightest day light and he is trying to fit it into a window. This offense needs a QB who is able to convert 3rd and 4s 3rd and 3s, etc. Henne will never be a QB who can do that consistently. This offense is for gaining yards on 1st and 2nd down that will always consistently lead to a 3rd and short in which the QB makes a completely wide open safe throw(Pennington is the master of this). Henne needs an offense in which his receivers gain big chunk of yards at times. For instance, his first dropped pass to Ginn was a 15 yard dig route. Thats 15+ yards on one route/play. This is something the offense is made for as Pennington will not complete a 18 yard out on the money or a 20 yard dagger. Henne is more needs those routes which gets him chunks of yards at times.


2. Its quite comical that you think offenses aren't made to fit the Quarterback's strengths.
 
In many cases the fans have a clearer picture of the team than the management does. How many times have the fans said a player should be drafted and yet management takes a "whos that"?It makes you wonder what team some of these GM's and Coaches are drafting for. In the old days the draft was all about inside info and back room deals. These days the fans have just about as much info as the management on players. Management picks players in many cases to prove a point instead of what is happening on the field. If a GM spent a ton of money on a FA and said player sucks. Chances are they are not going to draft someone playing that same position just to save face.Fans want their teams to win. Management also wants their teams to win, but they also dont want to look like they ever make mistakes.Also many GM's and Coaches believe their systems are so good they can win with anyone. Just follow the gameplan and everything will come up roses.The Dolphins did well last year, but that was last year.
 
Guys this offense is tailored for a Dink and Dunk QB predicated to a Run game. Henne needs WRs to throw seam routes outs and other mid range and and maybe a fade route. We have Ginn who can't run a route or catch, Bess (who I like) is the possesion receiver ala Welker but does not get enough of a chance to run deeper routes. Also some TE play would help. Henne also needs some game time but I am also very upset that Sanchez and Flaco started right up so Henne better hurry..
 
EFWilson said:
In many cases the fans have a clearer picture of the team than the management does. How many times have the fans said a player should be drafted and yet management takes a "whos that"?It makes you wonder what team some of these GM's and Coaches are drafting for. In the old days the draft was all about inside info and back room deals. These days the fans have just about as much info as the management on players. Management picks players in many cases to prove a point instead of what is happening on the field. If a GM spent a ton of money on a FA and said player sucks. Chances are they are not going to draft someone playing that same position just to save face.Fans want their teams to win. Management also wants their teams to win, but they also dont want to look like they ever make mistakes.Also many GM's and Coaches believe their systems are so good they can win with anyone. Just follow the gameplan and everything will come up roses.The Dolphins did well last year, but that was last year.
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What the hell are you talking about. Your post has nothing to do with this thread.
 
RobertHorry said:
1. Sprarano called plays from an offense that barely resembled Hennings. Henne is not a Quarterback who drops back, scans the field, and throws it to someone who is completely one hundred percent open like Pennington. Henne finds a man getting the slightest day light and he is trying to fit it into a window. This offense needs a QB who is able to convert 3rd and 4s 3rd and 3s, etc. Henne will never be a QB who can do that consistently. This offense is for gaining yards on 1st and 2nd down that will always consistently lead to a 3rd and short in which the QB makes a completely wide open safe throw(Pennington is the master of this). Henne needs an offense in which his receivers gain big chunk of yards at times. For instance, his first dropped pass to Ginn was a 15 yard dig route. Thats 15+ yards on one route/play. This is something the offense is made for as Pennington will not complete a 18 yard out on the money or a 20 yard dagger. Henne is more needs those routes which gets him chunks of yards at times.


2. Its quite comical that you think offenses aren't made to fit the Quarterback's strengths.
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1. So Chad Henne can't play in this offense because he can only play in an offense that gains big chunks of yardage at a time? What does that even mean? Should we trade him to Arizona so he can go be the MVP of the league? How do you even know what kind of offense Chad Henne can run at an NFL level??? I know his offense at Michigan wasn't built on throwing for big chunks of yards.

2. I don't remember saying that?

I just don't understand this post, are you saying Chad Henne can't throw short passes because he can only throw deep ones?

OH NO! NOW WE HAVE A REVERSE-PENNINGTON PROBLEM!

This post is just silly.
 
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