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This will inevitably happen, so let's compare Flacco & Ryan's stats to see what Henne will be compared/measured against as a starter himself:

This will provide all the stats to compare objectively.
As you can see, both Flacco & Ryan had good & bad weeks. And both are considered "franchise" QBs.
We should expect both good & bad weeks from Henne this first year starting...

Bottom line: If Henne completes about 60% of passes, for 7+ yards/attempt, and more TDs than INTs, with a QB Rating of 80.0+, then he's every bit as good as Flacco/Ryan as you can compare below.


Completions/Attempts, Yards, TDs/Ints, QB Rating

Flacco:
Cin: 15/29, 129, 0/0, 63.7
Cle: 13/19, 129, 0/2, 47.8
Pit: 16/31, 192, 1/0, 81.7
Ten: 18/27, 153, 0/2, 50.4
Ind: 28/38, 241, 0/3, 57.0
Mia: 17/23, 232, 1/0, 120.2
Oak: 12/24, 140, 1/0, 81.9
Cle: 17/29, 248, 2/0, 109.6
Hou: 15/23, 185, 2/0, 118.9
NYG: 20/33, 164, 1/2, 58.1
Phi: 12/26, 183, 2/0, 95.5
Cin: 19/29, 280, 2/0, 119.9
Was: 10/21, 134, 1/1, 64.4
Pit: 11/28, 115, 0/2, 22.2
Dal: 17/25, 149, 1/0, 96.9
Jac: 17/23, 297, 0/0, 115.8

Tot: 257/428 (60%), 2971 (6.9/att avg), 14 TDs, 12 Ints, 80.3 QB Rating


Ryan:
Det: 9/13, 161, 1/0, 137.0
TB: 13/33, 158, 0/2, 29.6
KC: 12/18, 192, 1/0, 120.6
Car: 21/41, 158, 0/0, 60.8
GB: 16/26, 194, 2/1, 94.1
Chi: 22/30, 301, 1/0, 116.1
Phi: 23/44, 277, 2/2, 68.1
Oak: 17/22, 220, 2/0, 138.4
NO: 16/23, 248, 2/0, 134.0
Den: 20/33, 250, 0/1, 71.5
Car: 17/27, 259, 0/0, 94.5
SD: 17/23, 207, 2/0, 130.2
NO: 24/33, 315, 1/1, 99.9
TB: 15/23, 206, 0/2, 57.5
Min: 13/24, 134, 1/0, 84.4
STL: 10/21, 160, 1/2, 49.8

Tot: 265/434 (61%), 3440 (7.9/att avg), 16 TDs, 11 Ints, 87.7 QB Rating
 
I knew Flacco was up and down but good lord was that guy schizophrenic. He only had two games all year where he threw both a TD and a pick. In every other game you knew what kind of day he would have whenever that first big play came. One other thing I found interesting is that if you look at both of their last 4 regular season games they threw more picks than TD. Maybe defenses were catching up to them, but now both made strides in the offseason.
 
Mile High Fin said:
This will inevitably happen, so let's compare Flacco & Ryan's stats to see what Henne will be compared/measured against as a starter himself:

This will provide all the stats to compare objectively.
As you can see, both Flacco & Ryan had good & bad weeks. And both are considered "franchise" QBs.
We should expect both good & bad weeks from Henne this first year starting...

Bottom line: If Henne completes about 60% of passes, for 7+ yards/attempt, and more TDs than INTs, with a QB Rating of 80.0+, then he's every bit as good as Flacco/Ryan as you can compare below.


Completions/Attempts, Yards, TDs/Ints, QB Rating

Flacco:
Cin: 15/29, 129, 0/0, 63.7
Cle: 13/19, 129, 0/2, 47.8
Pit: 16/31, 192, 1/0, 81.7
Ten: 18/27, 153, 0/2, 50.4
Ind: 28/38, 241, 0/3, 57.0
Mia: 17/23, 232, 1/0, 120.2
Oak: 12/24, 140, 1/0, 81.9
Cle: 17/29, 248, 2/0, 109.6
Hou: 15/23, 185, 2/0, 118.9
NYG: 20/33, 164, 1/2, 58.1
Phi: 12/26, 183, 2/0, 95.5
Cin: 19/29, 280, 2/0, 119.9
Was: 10/21, 134, 1/1, 64.4
Pit: 11/28, 115, 0/2, 22.2
Dal: 17/25, 149, 1/0, 96.9
Jac: 17/23, 297, 0/0, 115.8

Tot: 257/428 (60%), 2971 (6.9/att avg), 14 TDs, 12 Ints, 80.3 QB Rating


Ryan:
Det: 9/13, 161, 1/0, 137.0
TB: 13/33, 158, 0/2, 29.6
KC: 12/18, 192, 1/0, 120.6
Car: 21/41, 158, 0/0, 60.8
GB: 16/26, 194, 2/1, 94.1
Chi: 22/30, 301, 1/0, 116.1
Phi: 23/44, 277, 2/2, 68.1
Oak: 17/22, 220, 2/0, 138.4
NO: 16/23, 248, 2/0, 134.0
Den: 20/33, 250, 0/1, 71.5
Car: 17/27, 259, 0/0, 94.5
SD: 17/23, 207, 2/0, 130.2
NO: 24/33, 315, 1/1, 99.9
TB: 15/23, 206, 0/2, 57.5
Min: 13/24, 134, 1/0, 84.4
STL: 10/21, 160, 1/2, 49.8

Tot: 265/434 (61%), 3440 (7.9/att avg), 16 TDs, 11 Ints, 87.7 QB Rating
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If you cut Flacco some flack(o) for coming from a Div 2 and not getting the starting call until Smith and Boller went down in the 11th hour.. and start his countdown from the 13th game on.. over the last 5 games he performed comparably to Ryan, took his team 2 games deeper into the playoffs and has comparable if not better stats so far this year. Ryan was fantastic and deserves the kudos he gets, but Flacco really is the man of the 2 of them.. and in terms of acquisition and guaranteed money, cost about 1/3 of what Ryan does. If Henne can perform at a 75% level to Flacco, after his 8th game or so, he'd be a helluva bargain and I'd be ecstatic!
 
Let's not forget that Thigpen was close to both of them.. Both Flacco and Ryan had excellent running teams to fall back on.. That really helped those two out (and of course Baltimore's defense for Flacco).

And of course, KC had the worst O-Line I can ever remember last year.. Both Atlanta and Baltimore had very good O-Lines helping those QB's out tremendously.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/08/27/a-case-for-tyler-thigpen/

I know this is about Chad Henne. But another QB on our team matched up pretty well against those guys last year.. It bodes well for Henne.
 
I don't think you compare Chad Henne's stats this year to those of Flacco and Ryan. Those guys were true rookies. Henne is a second year guy. Whether it's his first year starting or not is neither here nor there, a second year player knows a hell of a lot more what he's doing than a first year player.

He should be compared with other guys that finally got their chance to start in their second or maybe third years.
 
wow didnt realize those guys threw that many picks good to know hopefully Henne comes along quick to maybe salvage our season.
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think you compare Chad Henne's stats this year to those of Flacco and Ryan. Those guys were true rookies. Henne is a second year guy. Whether it's his first year starting or not is neither here nor there, a second year player knows a hell of a lot more what he's doing than a first year player.

He should be compared with other guys that finally got their chance to start in their second or maybe third years.
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Yeah, but they are from the same draft class, so they will often get compared to each other (Ryan, Flacco & Henne).

And comparing their FIRST YEARS STARTING is the closest comparison we've got. I know it's not exactly apples-to-apples.

I just really wanted to provide the true game-by-game stats to demonstrate that even "franchise" QBs have rough days sprinkled amongst the good games.
Most people selectively forget the bad days and talk of them being able to walk on water. This shows that even good-to-great (young) QBs will have rough patches...
 
ckparrothead said:
I don't think you compare Chad Henne's stats this year to those of Flacco and Ryan. Those guys were true rookies. Henne is a second year guy. Whether it's his first year starting or not is neither here nor there, a second year player knows a hell of a lot more what he's doing than a first year player.

He should be compared with other guys that finally got their chance to start in their second or maybe third years.
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I would agree, but the play calling today was more in-line with a true rookie. (Due in large part to the fact we had an awesome run attack today.) Hopefully, they will be able to open it up a little faster with him and hopefully he progresses quicker, since he is a second year player.
 
Henne had a pretty respectable day. Not bad at all for his first game as the starter. 92.0 QB rating. 63.6% completion percentage. :up:

However, the Bills had some people injured. The quality of the defense is going to be much better next week agains the Jets. That DB Revis for the Jets is pretty damn good. Henne better work his butt off this week and every week this year. This is the NFL. There aren't any "sure things" in the NFL. No pushover teams like in college.
 
as long as he can get a good game next week against the jets will make me happy. Nothing would be better then seeing him outplay their new wonderboy Sanchez :)
 
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