Here’s How The Dolphins’ Rookie Draft Picks Are Doing Compared With Players Bypassed

[The Ghost]

Yeah I don’t get the Melvin Ingram stuff. Dude added a bunch of bad weight his last year at Wisconsin to show scouts he could run inside as a lead back in the pros then showed up as a rookie bloated and half the athlete.

Then he rescued his career in year 2 by dropping the weight. I recall many people on here with a higher grade on him than on Todd gurley.

Miami did well with the baker selection in the 3rd. Nothing on that college tape said ready for take on stack and shed as a starting nfl every down lb out the gate. Should make nice strides the next 2 years. Like to see him report to camp next year carrying an extra 5 lbs for poa play. There’s a little bit of a benefit of opportunity and snaps played thing here with regards to his grade this year that some other rookies in the same draft range didn’t get yet but we will be better for it in 2019 and 2020.

I guess if you look at it like he was the high 2nd rounder and gesicki the 3rd round pick it makes it easier to stomach.

I think the league would look at baker now and say he’s validated a top 50 pick type grade as a lb in the pros so far.

Ballage was good value in the 4th for his skill set and his scheme fit.

So was smythe who will be a plus in line blocker long term.

I look forward to the day that minkah plays a full time free safety with some slot ask. But that’s probably 2 years away. That guy will get you out of some attrition or even poor play binds with his versatility.

Let's not leave out Jason Sanders.

A+ selection so far.

What you said about Gesicki/Baker I sort of apply to Charles Harris.

Even though they weren't the same class, we got a high first round value on Xavien Howard and I can live with calling Charles Harris a 2nd rounder at this point. I was on board with drafting him and thought he was raw but full of potential.

I didn't want to draft TJ Watt because he was JJ Watt's brother. Greatness rarely falls twice from the same tree. Brother's of...., son's of.....usually not as good as the original.

 

[Dolphins81]

Charles Harris was in a tough spot for us. TJ Watt had better, more natural hands but wasn't a fit in a 4-3. Harris had a crappy 3 cone and yet had the best first step in the draft due to an uncanny anticipation of the snap count.

There was a blurb mentioned by Louis Tee in his youtube draft breakdown of Charles Harris that he thought Harris' play speed was diminished by his attempts to play at a heavier weight. I tend to agree. Harris needs to stay in the low 250's if you want him to sack the QB. He's in a kind of no man's land between Jason Taylor and Marco Coleman; he can't set the edge or display any kind of pass rush prowess.

He's strictly a pass rush specialist and should be allowed to drop weight.

The drafting lately has been the best I've seen in Miami and really believe that Harris was the best option at the time. It's what coaches do after they're drafted that has me scratching my head sometimes.

The excuse that TJ didn’t fit our scheme would be valid if our scheme worked...

 

[jbyrd850]

Very good, but the point isn't "some" few teams. It's how much Miami differs from those "some" teams. Probably ~28 teams are in the same range of success as Miami. Even then GB took Kevin King their fist pick. How'd that turn out?

No team will hit on all picks, I'm not arguing that, no one would argue that.

But you are giving this front office way too much credit if you think we draft the same as 28 other teams. This is easily one of the worst drafting teams in the league. Just look at the roster over the years, I'm sure there's more but the only guy that's a pro bowler that we drafted that I can think of is Jones.

Just look at this list of first rounders in the last decade, it's so unbelievably bad that you literally could just pick random names out of guys graded in the first round and do better than this team......Dion Jordan, Jared Odrick, Charles Harris, Devontae Parker, Jake Long who we got a solid 4 years out of lmao.

Oh you want to go back a little further than a decade? Jamar Fletcher, Jason Allen, Ted Ginn (at least we got the whole family).

My grandma could draft better in the first and second rounds than this team.

 

[Jests_Hater]

It would be an interesting comparison if they took who we drafted and who was the consensus BPA (even ESPN's experts )at the time of the pick. For example last years first round comparison would be Minkah vs Derwin. I'm not sure who the BPA was in the second round was but I guarantee you it wasn't a giraffe.

 

[hoops]

Let's not leave out Jason Sanders.

A+ selection so far.

What you said about Gesicki/Baker I sort of apply to Charles Harris.

Even though they weren't the same class, we got a high first round value on Xavien Howard and I can live with calling Charles Harris a 2nd rounder at this point. I was on board with drafting him and thought he was raw but full of potential.

I didn't want to draft TJ Watt because he was JJ Watt's brother. Greatness rarely falls twice from the same tree. Brother's of...., son's of.....usually not as good as the original.

That’s a good way to look at it with x. He’d be worth a top 20 minimum pick right now and for what he’s given us.

Although Harris wasn’t in the same class.

 

[fansinceGWilson]

No team will hit on all picks, I'm not arguing that, no one would argue that.

But you are giving this front office way too much credit if you think we draft the same as 28 other teams. This is easily one of the worst drafting teams in the league. Just look at the roster over the years, I'm sure there's more but the only guy that's a pro bowler that we drafted that I can think of is Jones.

Just look at this list of first rounders in the last decade, it's so unbelievably bad that you literally could just pick random names out of guys graded in the first round and do better than this team......Dion Jordan, Jared Odrick, Charles Harris, Devontae Parker, Jake Long who we got a solid 4 years out of lmao.

Oh you want to go back a little further than a decade? Jamar Fletcher, Jason Allen, Ted Ginn (at least we got the whole family).

My grandma could draft better in the first and second rounds than this team.

I generally agree. To be fair, I'm looking only at Miami under Gase. If you want, we can go back 3 decades of NE's drafts and I bet, post BB, I can prove they don't hit every time. Second, while you are right about the bad picks, I have trouble complaining a lot when most of those picks were near universal picks in Miami's range. Dion Jordan . . . wasn't there a report post-draft, the team at #5 was going to pick him? It isn't as if EVERYone else knew better. Third, I read a few years ago, most R1 picks are average, backups, or out of the league. I doubt that's changed, which means expecting All-Pros is unrealistic.
Now, that sounds like I'm making excuses. I'm not. While only a handful of teams do noticeably better in the draft, Miami has done noticeably worse - not average. EXHIBIT A > Pat white. I doubt ANY other team had him near that high.

 

[The Ghost]

That’s a good way to look at it with x. He’d be worth a top 20 minimum pick right now and for what he’s given us.

Although Harris wasn’t in the same class.

Special player and exceptional draft pick was 25. Some people (I know not you) forget we targeted him and moved up 4 spots to get him avoiding a potential pick of Reggie Ragland, Noah Spence or Sterling Shepard who immediately followed X.

Slim pickin's in 2016 and to pull Tunsil, Howard, Drake and Grant was a coup. The Dolphins acquired almost as much talent as the rest of the NFL did combined from the 19th pick on.....

 

[coalesce]

Stretch it out over a decade and the hit rate is all pretty much the same. Teams with stability in coaches/system tend to do better, especially with later round picks where you target specific attributes. The real killer is missing out on those transcendent talents like Brees and Rodgers, but even in those cases who can really say if they would have been the same player in Miami.

Perfect example of that is Steve Young with the Bucs and Steve Young with the 49ers. Same guy, two totally different teams and systems, and two very different career trajectories. Or Vinny Testaverde with the Bucs and Finny Testaverde with the Jets.

 

[hoops]

Special player and exceptional draft pick was 25. Some people (I know not you) forget we targeted him and moved up 4 spots to get him avoiding a potential pick of Reggie Ragland, Noah Spence or Sterling Shepard who immediately followed X.

Slim pickin's in 2016 and to pull Tunsil, Howard, Drake and Grant was a coup. The Dolphins acquired almost as much talent as the rest of the NFL did combined from the 19th pick on.....

Yeah tunsil and Howard return can carry any class. Top 10 boundary corner with still meat on the bone top 5 left tackle.

Cornerstone players. X’s consistency of technique might be the best in the game at the corner position

 

[The Ghost]

Yeah tunsil and Howard return can carry any class. Top 10 boundary corner with still meat on the bone top 5 left tackle.

Cornerstone players. X’s consistency of technique might be the best in the game at the corner position

Imagine if you had two of each?

 

[hoops]

I’m hoping x can make that leap next year into the top 5. But I don’t know if he has the physical tools.

I have no doubts tunsil can be top 5. That looks like decade long top shelf left tackle stuff

 

[BSQ]

Gisecki will take a minute to be an excellent TE but he'll get there. Patience, Grasshoppers.

 

[Dolphinitis]

thats right people, the Dolphins are masters at the draft. any statistic that says otherwise must be faulty.

i have bug eyes after reading some of the material posted in this thread.
the Ds have absolutely sucked drafting. Im speechless.

Gisecki was going to finally open up the middle of the field for our Guru Genius coaches explosive offense. he hadnt played a down but he was already running wide open in the middle of the field scoring many tds,according to the GGG contingent. his only drawback was that he couldnt block but was a pass receiving machine. cut the present and they guy is pretty awful,middle of the field locked and closed as usual.
Last year it was Mc who was going to dominate the middle of the field on defense, clog the run and plain dominate. cut to reality: he pretty much sucks.

thus, I would advise seeking outside personnel when making your qb draft picks in the next couple of years.

 

[BSQ]

2 things. Gisecki needs time to develop. He is in a crap offense. Actually 3, Brock, who's not extremely accurate, is throwing him the ball.

 

[FINOMINAL]

At this point I would be more excited as a Dolphin fan if I was watching Lamar Jackson back there and suffering just a wee bit more on defense rather than have Minkah and starter Brock Osweiller or Ryan Tannehill with Luke Falk on deck.