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Here's what I'd do; take it for what it's worth.

danmarino7051 said:
Any accounted for cap monies can’t be spent. I’m not sure what you’re even saying.

Dead cap is called “dead” because the player is no longer on the team. It’s not some extra money a player is owed or gets counted toward the cap twice or something.

If Tyreek is cut he is still owed money and the money owed is LESS than what he would have made if he had kept playing for the Dolphins.

The amount owed is called “dead cap” because he’s no longer on the team and it still counts against the cap. In his case it’s less money owed to him. There are not two buckets. If Tyreek is let go, the overall cap savings is about $34m. If he is not cut he would have over a $52m cap hit in 2026. If he’s cut he’s only owed $28m split up over two years. That’s a total cap savings of $34m. He’d have a dead cap hit of $16m in 2026 and $12m in 2027. That’s better than paying him $52m next year of which ALL of it would count towards the 2026 cap.
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But... back to my original point. You asked me why we'd have around 80m in dead cap next year, when you saw that the figure was only 34m.

Hills 28m cap hit is in addition to that 34m, as is the coming dead money from Chubb's deal. (And remember, the 34m comes from Armstead and Ramsey, so that's 100% gone)

34 + 28 for Hill + Chubb... plus... well, I think you are starting to see it.

Yes, the team could post Hill as a June cut and only eat half of the 28m, but that would move the other 14m to '27 (when we'll probably be eating the Tua contract).

None of this dead cap goes away. We'll have 80m in dead cap next year (more if we jettison Tua)... the only question is whether we want to hamper our '27 cap too.

This is the VERY definition of a cap problem. A huge % of our budgets for the next two years is already blown. Most teams don't have this problem... especially not 2 win teams. We're thin... AND have no money.
 
LargoFin said:
I do not. Six years is enough. And, I do not equate $54 mil salary with automatic starting QB role.
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I'm not advocating 'starting' long-term. TT is playing poorly. I mentioned one way to address that. If Wilson starts and does little, at least TT knows the team is watching him. Whether we like it or not, he's the best QB on the team
 
Feverdream said:
But... back to my original point. You asked me why we'd have around 80m in dead cap next year, when you saw that the figure was only 34m.

Hills 28m cap hit is in addition to that 34m, as is the coming dead money from Chubb's deal. (And remember, the 34m comes from Armstead and Ramsey, so that's 100% gone)

34 + 28 for Hill + Chubb... plus... well, I think you are starting to see it.

Yes, the team could post Hill as a June cut and only eat half of the 28m, but that would move the other 14m to '27 (when we'll probably be eating the Tua contract).

None of this dead cap goes away. We'll have 80m in dead cap next year (more if we jettison Tua)... the only question is whether we want to hamper our '27 cap too.

This is the VERY definition of a cap problem. A huge % of our budgets for the next two years is already blown. Most teams don't have this problem... especially not 2 win teams. We're thin... AND have no money.
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No. We are projected to have $34m in dead cap. Cutting Tyreek would add $16m to that next year. Not $28m. BUT, they’d SAVE around $36m in cap space because he’s owed $52m if he’s kept on the team. Understand?

Instead of paying him $52m they’d only pay him $16m if he’s cut.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I don’t see '26 as being in the same state as SB for Miami. TT can't get them there.
My only point is TT isn't playing good football. There are ways to address that other than long-term benching
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In my text group with my IRL Dolphins fan friends we've been discussing who would possibly be willing to trade for Tua.

Ive seen rumors for three teams (all make no sense to me)

1) Raiders - they need a QB and have a ton of cap space. But with Tom Brady basicly running/"having major input" on their team, i just dont see Brady having a high grade on Tua. Their personalities seem polar opposite and I think Brady has a particular type of personality in mind for the next Raiders QB.

2) Saints - Need a QB and are still in cap trouble in 2026, however in 2027 they are finally escaping cap trouble. (For the first time in like a decade) The most recent time they got a bit of cap space they spent it all on Derrick Carr, I just doubt they want to go down the Vetern expensive QB path again.

3) Vikings - Flores coaches there, enough said.

The only team i can think of that makes any realistic sense would be...

The Rams - If Stafford retires, so this would be this upcoming offseason obviously. The Rams arnt scared of going into cap trouble and maybe McVay likes Tua??? Maybe? I hope?

Otherwise we're stuck with Tua and more damaging, his contract. He will have to be on the roster in 2026, has anyone even tried to cut Tua this offseaon, take the 90 million dollar hit and then try to field a team thats cap compliant? Is it even possible without cutting a dozen other players?
 
Let me put it this way.

Cap Total is about $280m.

Keep Tyreek: $280m- $52m

Cut Tyreek: $280m-$16m

Which one saves more cap space?
 
If I were the new GM, first thing I’d do is extend Judon at 3 years and $63 million.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
I'm not advocating 'starting' long-term. TT is playing poorly. I mentioned one way to address that. If Wilson starts and does little, at least TT knows the team is watching him. Whether we like it or not, he's the best QB on the team
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Tua is out, permanently. Six years, no results. It's over.
We need to trade for a QB, today, for next Sunday's game. Wilson is not in next year's plans. He is on a one year deal. There is no short or long term to play, he is not a part of our Super Bowl team, not as first, second, or third string.
 
LargoFin said:
Tua is out, permanently. Six years, no results. It's over.
We need to trade for a QB, today, for next Sunday's game. Wilson is not in next year's plans. He is on a one year deal. There is no short or long term to play, he is not a part of our Super Bowl team, not as first, second, or third string.
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We disagree. I suspect TT is back next year barring retirement.
 
fansinceGWilson said:
We disagree. I suspect TT is back next year barring retirement.
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No body wants to see Tua next year. He is not conducive to winning the Super Bowl. Therefore, he is out. That's a terrible decision along the lines of the previous GM's continual 10-year failure.
Matter of fact, the QB decision making needs to start today with a new signing for the starter for the next game. There is no need to waste any game.
 
LargoFin said:
No body wants to see Tua next year. He is not conducive to winning the Super Bowl. Therefore, he is out. That's a terrible decision along the lines of the previous GM's continual 10-year failure.
Matter of fact, the QB decision making needs to start today with a new signing for the starter for the next game. There is no need to waste any game.
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lol okay
 
Feverdream said:
Last time, when we did a teardown; I continually said that I thought we were trying to build too quickly-- to compete for a playoff spot when we still had no real shot of getting past the first round. We kept players like X when it was clear that he'd be done by the time we really had enough horses to compete with the big boys. We traded UP for Waddle, rather than accumulate picks and players who would form the core of our team, traded for established stars with HUGE contracts, and worst of all, we allowed a young muscle-headed coach to become too arrogant about how he'd be perceived to understand that tanking would get him farther in the long run.

Tear it down.

Because of massive cap mismanagement, we won't really be cap free until '28. We'll be accounting for dead cap space with Hill, with Chubb, and with the likely cap penalties on Tua that will run through '27. Even the Waddle and Seiler contracts could prove painful if we defer any more of their monies-- especially if they are injured and all their remaining monies come due.

Just forget about it until 2028... even if we swallow the poison and cut everyone next year. That'll just trigger the Jun 1 cuts into the following year ('27).

So... sell every asset that is 28 years old or older from the skill positions, and 30ish or older from the strength positions. It isn't whether they are great now... the question, (like with X) is... will he STILL be good in three years. If your answer is 'no' or even 'probably not'... sell him. For years, the patriots ran with the idea of 'better a year too soon than too late', and it helped them remain compliant for many years. YES, we will move some players who'll shine elsewhere, but those men were NOT going to get us where we need to go.

Sell Chubb. Sell Brooks. Let Phillips walk if we can't sell him. You want our Punter? A 7th rounder and he's yours. There are two dozen others.

Tell yourself, I don't CARE if we win three games next year. Hell... PLAN on winning three games next year while accumulating 10-12 draft picks. This 'trying to win to build character nonsense' is just that... nonsense. You don't win in the NFL because you "learned to win last year", you win in the NFL when you have the horses, and then properly apply them... so first, get the horses.

...and this means, NO ****ING free agents next year. Probably none the following year either. Clean out the cap, prepare a base of 20 good, YOUNG players, and then fill holes. Guys who sign vet minimum contracts don't count. These guys are temp workers.

...and maybe most importantly of all, red flag every prospect with any sort of injury history. Guys who are frequently injured in the NCAA, are almost always even more prone to injuries once they hit the NFL.

Yes, we're gonna suck, but half measures get us to where the Dolphins and Saints are today.
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I disagree, but you do have a valid point.

My feeling is that the more you take something apart, the longer it takes to fix it.

What we need are a series of well thought out actions from the Front Office (whatever that really is) that starts a process of continuous improvement of the coaching staff, the players and the Front Office. It's the process that will fix this team and the continuation of that process that will maintain the competitive nature of this team.

We don't need a lot of knee-jerk reactions from immature fans (Lemmings) saying what to do. - LOL
 
Ray R said:
We don't need a lot of knee-jerk reactions from immature fans (Lemmings) saying what to do. - LOL
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You do realize that's the primary reason for this forum's existence?

What would you prefer to talk about? Serious question.

As far as knee jerk, given the reality that we own the longest playoff win drought among the major professional sports, I believe there are no knee jerk reactions. It's really just differing opinions on how to change the status quo. Knee jerk gives the impression of overreacting. Burning it down and starting over is one of a few valid opinions.
 
Mach2 said:
You do realize that's the primary reason for this forum's existence?

What would you prefer to talk about? Serious question.

As far as knee jerk, given the reality that we own the longest playoff win drought among the major professional sports, I believe there are no knee jerk reactions. It's really just differing opinions on how to change the status quo. Knee jerk gives the impression of overreacting. Burning it down and starting over is one of a few valid opinions.
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And all this time I thought it was for intelligent conversation concerning what's happening with the Dolphins.

My bad. - LOL
 
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