Here's what I'd do; take it for what it's worth.

[rickd13]

The time frame is tricky. It also depends on the time frame until what?

A competitive team week in week out?
Ready to win a playoff game?
Ready for a SB run?

Those can, realistically, be 3 different things.

Sure, one can cite examples of quick recovery, but is it the norm?

I think three years is about the right amount of time to be ready to get in the playoffs and have a solid open window to make a Super Bowl run. All of it mostly dependent on getting the right QB in place. There is no reason for it to take five years to just be competitive. Five years maybe before you can expect to be a serious Super Bowl contender with a good young QB,

 

[Jamesw]

The problem with that premise is that what one individual sees as knee jerk, or ridiculous, another may see as totally justified or even common sense.

Unless comments are filtered which would be completely subjective, how would one determine which replies to allow, and which ones do not merit bandwidth?

TBH, I see many who are not open to free speech here. They only want to read opinions with which they agree.

I hate the echo chamber mentality.

I'll certainly take you up on the Thai dancing girl mod position. Probably even quit my day job.....lol.

Only if you make an Official Statement

 

[Ray R]

I want McDaniel gone yesterday.

So, you got your wish and didn't even know it.
How slow is that? - LOL

 

[Bob512]

Last time, when we did a teardown; I continually said that I thought we were trying to build too quickly-- to compete for a playoff spot when we still had no real shot of getting past the first round. We kept players like X when it was clear that he'd be done by the time we really had enough horses to compete with the big boys. We traded UP for Waddle, rather than accumulate picks and players who would form the core of our team, traded for established stars with HUGE contracts, and worst of all, we allowed a young muscle-headed coach to become too arrogant about how he'd be perceived to understand that tanking would get him farther in the long run.

Tear it down.

Because of massive cap mismanagement, we won't really be cap free until '28. We'll be accounting for dead cap space with Hill, with Chubb, and with the likely cap penalties on Tua that will run through '27. Even the Waddle and Seiler contracts could prove painful if we defer any more of their monies-- especially if they are injured and all their remaining monies come due.

Just forget about it until 2028... even if we swallow the poison and cut everyone next year. That'll just trigger the Jun 1 cuts into the following year ('27).

So... sell every asset that is 28 years old or older from the skill positions, and 30ish or older from the strength positions. It isn't whether they are great now... the question, (like with X) is... will he STILL be good in three years. If your answer is 'no' or even 'probably not'... sell him. For years, the patriots ran with the idea of 'better a year too soon than too late', and it helped them remain compliant for many years. YES, we will move some players who'll shine elsewhere, but those men were NOT going to get us where we need to go.

Sell Chubb. Sell Brooks. Let Phillips walk if we can't sell him. You want our Punter? A 7th rounder and he's yours. There are two dozen others.

Tell yourself, I don't CARE if we win three games next year. Hell... PLAN on winning three games next year while accumulating 10-12 draft picks. This 'trying to win to build character nonsense' is just that... nonsense. You don't win in the NFL because you "learned to win last year", you win in the NFL when you have the horses, and then properly apply them... so first, get the horses.

...and this means, NO ****ING free agents next year. Probably none the following year either. Clean out the cap, prepare a base of 20 good, YOUNG players, and then fill holes. Guys who sign vet minimum contracts don't count. These guys are temp workers.

...and maybe most importantly of all, red flag every prospect with any sort of injury history. Guys who are frequently injured in the NCAA, are almost always even more prone to injuries once they hit the NFL.

Yes, we're gonna suck, but half measures get us to where the Dolphins and Saints are today.

You are likely right about the state of the team and this is a very typical excellent post by you.....

However, I think we need to consider what success looks like. I believe as fans, we want to see steady progress and improvement. This is going to be one of the very rare instances where I agree with the clown......we can certainly be competitive within a shorter time frame with better decision making and quality draft picks. We have seen what the impact of good leadership is (New England this year is a good example) and how quickly fortunes can change.

It starts at the top with setting the culture and expectations for the organization. This GM selection is going to be critical and will tell us a lot about where we are going......

 

[Feverdream]

You are likely right about the state of the team and this is a very typical excellent post by you.....

However, I think we need to consider what success looks like. I believe as fans, we want to see steady progress and improvement. This is going to be one of the very rare instances where I agree with the clown......we can certainly be competitive within a shorter time frame with better decision making and quality draft picks. We have seen what the impact of good leadership is (New England this year is a good example) and how quickly fortunes can change.

It starts at the top with setting the culture and expectations for the organization. This GM selection is going to be critical and will tell us a lot about where we are going......

Thank you for the kind words.

I do think there is one main difference between our situation and that of other teams that have turned it around more quickly though. Our cap situation is much worse than teams who have done this.

We'll need to get through the dead money period before we can realistically make any big moves. Once we've paid off the Armstead/Ramsey/Hill/Tua/Chubb dead monies... THEN we can improve very quickly assuming we draft well... and hit on our new QB.

I'm mildly optimistic, but first, we need to clear that hurdle.

 

[Rick Cartman]

The 2019 re-build wasn't meant to be done quickly, if it was Grier would have been fired with Flores in 2021
The problem with it was there was no discernable end date for the team to produce results
If you hire the right guy at GM and HC you should be competing for a playoff spot in 2027 and certainly for the division in 2028
That would be 3 off-seasons and drafts by that point
Anything longer is mental masturbation in the modern day NFL, the Dolphins should know that more than anyone at this point.

 

[JBinSD]

I've been saying this ever since 2019. Grier tried to take a short cut with the rebuild and that was his first mistake(of many more to come).....I was against wasting a 2nd round pick on Rosen since before we made the trade. We had accumulated picks and then Grier started wasting them by trading up for players in the draft as if we were only one or two players away from contending. We used 8 pick to get Hill, Waddle and Chubb. That left us with 8 picks combined for 2022 and 2023 and all we have to show for those two drafts is Achane.

I agree that every players is tradable for the right price. We're in big trouble with the cap because of dead money so we need all the picks we can get.

**** it hurts to think that Grier traded a 2nd round pick for Josh Rosen. I forgot about that.

 

[JBinSD]

Thank you for the kind words.

I do think there is one main difference between our situation and that of other teams that have turned it around more quickly though. Our cap situation is much worse than teams who have done this.

We'll need to get through the dead money period before we can realistically make any big moves. Once we've paid off the Armstead/Ramsey/Hill/Tua/Chubb dead monies... THEN we can improve very quickly assuming we draft well... and hit on our new QB.

I'm mildly optimistic, but first, we need to clear that hurdle.

FWIW the Browncows did it.

 

[onlyindade3051]

Terrible take. Doing a mass sell off hurts you in the long run because you will have no depth. It’s the reason why we have such a big gap of talent from starter to back up. Continue building through the draft from inside out. Build the Oline and the front 7 of our defense. Make your way outwards. Forget WR and RB. This won’t get fixed in 2 years. It’ll take 4 years to fix this roster.

 

[mekadave]

I want to see an OL draft that would make the Detroit Lions say "Whoa whoa whoa, hey now, settle down there!"