Hickey's selection process....

[raving]

Hickey's evaluation process may become the gold standard for the NFL. What he did during this draft was fascinating and I am surprised so few are talking about it more both nationally and on this site. Hickey has stated repeatedly that what he did was measure each player on the draft board on a number of tangible, technical skills and abilities. He did this for each player in relation to position specific qualities, like foot speed, or ability to create separation, or playing strength, or hand strength, or hip flexibility, or fluidity. Then he evaluated if the player's particular set of skills would or could scale up to the next level of competition - and that has to do with two things - tangibles and intangibles. The intangibles relate to love of the game, maturity, leadership ability and the like. The tangibles has to do with the opportunities to witness a player in action against more rugged competition...

Now of course proof is in the pudding...But even his 7th round pick Dede is a surprising athlete on film...I agree most of what I have seen of him is against much weaker competition...The questions then become about how accurate Hickey was/is about how much that player can scale his play up to the next level...But it is true that such a thing can be known more if you pick the right variables to measure...

 

[Chubby]

It's a boom or bust type of draft...Either he hits pay dirt or his face hits the dirt...

The reason why its scary is.... its very difficult to evaluate a player whose level of competion was subpar... for seniors the Senior Bowl is about the only real time you get to evaluate those players vs same level competition... Its a huge gamble... and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude... scary..

Here is hoping he hits pay dirt!!
Chubbs

 

[SeasonsMusic]

Personally, I have liked what Hickey has done so far this offseason and I like his personality as well. I hope it works out with him.

 

[russianbear]

You could tell from the get go that leadership and love of the game are very high on his player rankings, which doesn't always equate to a strong NFL career....but when you do hit and have intangibles mixed with ability you get a very good player and locker room presence.

 

[raving]

I agree with you in the boom or bust....

I also strongly prefer it this way....

I want to know now that we are on trajectory or not....

So lets get er done or move on...

It's a boom or bust type of draft...Either he hits pay dirt or his face hits the dirt...

The reason why its scary is.... its very difficult to evaluate a player whose level of competion was subpar... for seniors the Senior Bowl is about the only real time you get to evaluate those players vs same level competition... Its a huge gamble... and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude... scary..

Here is hoping he hits pay dirt!!
Chubbs

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I didn't like our free agency decisions, but the draft is growing on me.

 

[roy_miami]

I didn't like our free agency decisions, but the draft is growing on me.

Finnegan is the guy I'm most interested in seeing, and its not that he's going to make or break our season but that signing will speak to Hickey's ability to hit in free agency, which is just as important as hitting on draft picks. I love the structure of that contract too, its basically a one year deal for all intents and purposes but we hold all the cards on his future. If he's good we hold exclusive rights to negotiate and restructure. If he doesn't want to restructure we get him for another season at fair value. And if he sucks we cut him with little effect on our bottom line.

 

[NRA]

and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude
oh come on man, really?

guy has his own way of evaluating [like most gm's think they do] and you shrug him off as ireland and having a "smarter than everyone else move" what "move" is that? i hardly think evaluating players by intangibles and toughness and skill traits for the scheme and then drafting players who fit that is a "move". and what gm doesnt want to find ways to be smarter than the next gm on draft day? doesnt want to find ANY better way to find quality players? if ireland would have had a thought process even close to something like this he would still be the gm.

and dont YOU want a gm who finds ways to be better? i sure the hell do, especially after ireland and wanny and cam and saban.

its obvious you know NOTHING about the guy. one of the the things everyone who has ever worked with hickey or been around him says how humble he is and without big ego.

there is just absolutely NO BASIS to what you just threw out there CHUB, none at all. you should be writing for the HERALD!!

i'm sorry chub but i just do not understand the hatred for dennis hickey. now or before the draft. its like we have a board full of people who want to constantly degrade him and are hoping everything he does is a failure. all because "their guy", whoever that may have been didnt get the gig and they ran away with the silly "he was the last resort, every other candidate turned us down but him" rumor.

i have seen the fans at pretty low periods but this has become a phenomenon. a sad one at that!

 

[matt11390]

Hickey certainly has a defined plan compared to his predecessor. But also IMO Miami has a heavy pressure to improve the organization's public image so seeking after high character guys and leaders is more important this year than previous years.

 

[Chubby]

and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude

oh come on man, really?

guy has his own way of evaluating [like most gm's think they do] and you shrug him off as ireland and having a "smarter than everyone else move" what "move" is that? i hardly think evaluating players by intangibles and toughness and skill traits for the scheme and then drafting players who fit that is a "move". and what gm doesnt want to find ways to be smarter than the next gm on draft day? doesnt want to find ANY better way to find quality players? if ireland would have had a thought process even close to something like this he would still be the gm.

and dont YOU want a gm who finds ways to be better? i sure the hell do, especially after ireland and wanny and cam and saban.

its obvious you know NOTHING about the guy. one of the the things everyone who has ever worked with hickey or been around him says how humble he is and without big ego.

there is just absolutely NO BASIS to what you just threw out there CHUB, none at all. you should be writing for the HERALD!!

i'm sorry chub but i just do not understand the hatred for dennis hickey. now or before the draft. its like we have a board full of people who want to constantly degrade him and are hoping everything he does is a failure. all because "their guy", whoever that may have been didnt get the gig and they ran away with the silly "he was the last resort, every other candidate turned us down but him" rumor.

i have seen the fans at pretty low periods but this has become a phenomenon. a sad one at that!

LOL I dont hate Hickey... actually praised his Free Agency... LOL... its so funny seeing how some get their panties bunched up anytime you dont give a 100% compliment of the fins every move... geez... lol....its friday lighten up lol.

Again.... I dont hate Hickey....
Chubbs
Happy Friday!!

 

[roy_miami]

To be fair I'm sure every GM has an "I'm smarter than everyone else" heir about them. The problem with Ireland was he felt that way about everyone, including the people on our own team.

 

[Chubby]

To be fair I'm sure every GM has an "I'm smarter than everyone else" heir about them. The problem with Ireland was he felt that way about everyone, including the people on our own team.

It was very apparent that Ireland and Philbin were not on the same page... It seems Hickey and Philbin are.. GM and HC need to Swim or drown together... this whole Fire HC and Fire GM at different times has kept us in limbo land...

They either flourish together or both get the heck out..>
CHubbs

 

[NRA]

but that signing will speak to Hickey's ability to hit in free agency

really? ONE GUY decides if hickey is a bust free agent gm or not?

finnegan was brought in mostly to build on the toughness of the secondary which needs a big shot of that. notice all the db's, drafted, udfa or f/a have that same trait, tough guys who intimidate and get in wr's face. is finnegan going to the pro bowl? no. hickey knows that to. but if anyone can help with intimidation in a secondary its finnegan. and thats all they want out of him, some intimidating play and tough leadership and a me ntor to young guys coming in or already here.

but if he busts, thats to bad, but every gm has one or two. look at billichek with homey the clown [ocho stinko]. BUST!!!! it happens. the buzz on homey was he was done, wasnt the player he was, got slower, etc...... . but sometimes a change of venue after a player has been in one spot for 227 years makes a difference, gives them a spark. billichek gambled that would be the case for homey. both homey the clown and finnegan fit that scenerio. and hickey is hoping the change will help finnegan.

homey busted. we shall see what happens with finnegan. but that will be far, far from judging if he can f/a or not.

 

[LDaniel7]

It's a boom or bust type of draft...Either he hits pay dirt or his face hits the dirt...

The reason why its scary is.... its very difficult to evaluate a player whose level of competion was subpar... for seniors the Senior Bowl is about the only real time you get to evaluate those players vs same level competition... Its a huge gamble... and its a I am smarter then everyone else move imo... which was a very Ireland type attitude... scary..

Here is hoping he hits pay dirt!!
Chubbs

Dude. When you start a draft with 11 picks and end up with a top 3 pick and ZERO 3 down players -- THAT is boom or bust.

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means, if you see this draft as "Boom or Bust" in entirely.

The key picks of this draft 1-3 are not boom or bust. They are the epitome of quality, steady performers -- the opposite of boom sexy. And about as much opposite of bust as you are gonna get in the NFL draft.

Now, other players later in the draft have the capacity for "boom or bust," but by-and-large, this draft is the opposite of an Ireland draft.

LD

 

[NRA]

LOL I dont hate Hickey... actually praised his Free Agency

that wasnt directed at you. it was a general statement about the fans and hickey.

and folks get riled because people are downing a gm who is brand new. they have nothing to go by but 18 years of quality work with an nfl team. reputation for being an excellent judge of talent. just what we needed!! we have not yet seen how his drafting is. and this draft wont settle either, for me or should it for anyone else as this season had its own needs and we had a narrow band of o-linemen who fit the scheme. i didnt give up on ireland until year three. it was obvious his way of drafting was all wrong, the players he chose and where he chose them. massive free agent busts and chucking away draft picks and never cashing in on those extra pics. failed hi draft choices, etc... . but i gave him time as ONE draft doesnt make a gm, especially one who comes in brand new to a perennial losing team with a BUNCH of glaring needs and up grades.

in 3 years i may be screaming for hickey to go. but as of now, not ONE FAN has any logical reason for bashing hickey. none. and thats where my anger is, the point that people have NO REASON yet to hate on him. but there are a whole who do and make it very public.

outside of your "this is ireland, its a smarter than you" comment, my sentiments were in general to the state of the fans on the boards and not directly at you.