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Tua time!
i'll start this by saying that i doubt thomas got much if any game week prep run at right tackle this season and so that does need to be taken into consideration here...and maybe there should be some benefit of the doubt given here with some of this as a result...although that's not very much what i'm about...i'd also be remiss if i didnt add that i dont think much of the players he faced in this games edge rush abilities or rush arsenal etc and that also needs to be considered here...darryl tapp is a marginal career nfl player way i see it rushed more like an olb in a 2 point stance doesnt have much going for him with that rush either and james jones is a solid player but he's most effective kicked inside in the sub and on the edge in space doesnt have much more to offer other than good length and stride...
i guess its ok to also mention here that had dallas thomas not gotten tossed at guard on that albert injury play tannehill can step up inside the pocket and alberts never injured on the play...thomas lost early his man came off to the qb and garner tried to push that man past the qb and shoved him to ground and onto alberts leg who was bent over backwards on the play...tannehill had wide pressure from garners side and pressure up the middle thus no pocket to step up into...injuries happen i know and that's not what this eval is about...but it still sucks
ok let's get to it...thomas entered the game at right tackle with 4 minutes left in the first half...here's what my notes were on his play...again noting that he barely sniffed ansah on the edge and just about all his work was against pass rush and edge talents i dont think much of...
***missed hold on a spin move by tapp overset to the outside didnt have the ability lateral quickness wise to recover grabbed tapp just before the ball was released from behind 14 yard gain i think it was to wallace on the over the shoulder sideline catch...should have been a penalty
***split on a double team where pouncey is suppose to come over after thomas engages the rusher thomas doesnt do enough with his initial punch to get the edge player off balance set to the outside knowing he has help coming from the inside and allow pouncey to come over to the engaged players exposed rib cage and finish him...instead they are split ball comes out before it matters
***nice combination block pass off vs a stunt where he engaged the de slanting down inside and passed off to the looping around dt suh kicked out nicely to meet him solid play
***shows the ability to anchor vs power bull rush definitely looks to have better base vs power to sit down and not just get walked back...last year he didnt have this ability...i'm cautious with this though cause i dont think he faced much but he did have one nice power rush attempt rep vs ansah who tried to go thru him where he sat down well and anchored...and there's definitely some growth there...more stout than i expected
***takes so much of the contact...even on the move...
*** feet look relatively average look more guard than tackle athletically...lateral agility and abilities stand out in a bad way...oversets commits to the outside gets off balance and as a result very susceptible to spin moves and outside inside redirection...i think he will open the door for speed power and for the most direct route to the qb inside...just doesnt have the lateral short area movement skills to match the edge rush athletes he will face in the next 7 games...he's gonna try and compensate for some athletic limitations and thats gonna open up a wide variety of things against high end rush talent
***technique in pass pro looks improved base is better not crossing over his feet or standing up and running out of his stance...last year it couldnt have been more ugly...needs work on hand placement and an effective punch...rarely has a guy off balance...
*** looks lost in the run game on anything where he's asked to engage at the los and come off to the lb level...hesitant and lost...some of this may be lack of familiarity with zone assignments at tackle and needs more practice and game reps...
*** one really nice run block pouncey engages the player at the los and comes off as thomas comes over at an angle and drives the edge player down inside the formation for the big damian williams off right tackle gain...this is probably where i think his best work in the run game lies...angle blocks at the los where he doesnt have to think about who he needs to pick up knows his primary assignment and can get on them with his size at a positive diagonal angle...
last miami possession of the game after the detroit 3 and out 1st and 10 he's supposed to engage pounceys man at the los and pass off to pouncey and come get the olb at the 2nd level while the center satele picks up the ilb at the 2nd level and the slot corner carries coverage...damian williams will cut up inside off tackle and inside the slot vacated zone this should be an 8 yard gain or more...it's set up exactly like we want it...instead he engages at the los and comes off and hesitates and picks up no one and the olb makes the tackle for a 4 yard gain...shouldnt happen can't happen...he never touched anyone...just stood around like he didnt know his assignment...should be 2nd and 2 and we are in business and the run pass playbook is wide open
overall this frankly looks like a guard athlete trying to play in space to me...not enough pop on contact at guard kicked outside to tackle where the lateral short area quickness and athlete dont fit the bill...looks like a soft version of willie colon playing tackle in a zone scheme...i dont see this going well...miami better protect him as much as possible with tight end help...dion sims stay healthy...i cant see us getting by with many 5 man front protections anymore...i doubt he will get to much past 3 yards of the los and i doubt he will give you much in the screen game i can see him having serious issues trying to flow down the los engaged and keep de's from setting the edge...
they can coach this kid up as much as they want technique and hand placement wise they can't fix the athlete and lateral abilities in space and the balance issues as a result...good luck ryan tannehill
i guess its ok to also mention here that had dallas thomas not gotten tossed at guard on that albert injury play tannehill can step up inside the pocket and alberts never injured on the play...thomas lost early his man came off to the qb and garner tried to push that man past the qb and shoved him to ground and onto alberts leg who was bent over backwards on the play...tannehill had wide pressure from garners side and pressure up the middle thus no pocket to step up into...injuries happen i know and that's not what this eval is about...but it still sucks
ok let's get to it...thomas entered the game at right tackle with 4 minutes left in the first half...here's what my notes were on his play...again noting that he barely sniffed ansah on the edge and just about all his work was against pass rush and edge talents i dont think much of...
***missed hold on a spin move by tapp overset to the outside didnt have the ability lateral quickness wise to recover grabbed tapp just before the ball was released from behind 14 yard gain i think it was to wallace on the over the shoulder sideline catch...should have been a penalty
***split on a double team where pouncey is suppose to come over after thomas engages the rusher thomas doesnt do enough with his initial punch to get the edge player off balance set to the outside knowing he has help coming from the inside and allow pouncey to come over to the engaged players exposed rib cage and finish him...instead they are split ball comes out before it matters
***nice combination block pass off vs a stunt where he engaged the de slanting down inside and passed off to the looping around dt suh kicked out nicely to meet him solid play
***shows the ability to anchor vs power bull rush definitely looks to have better base vs power to sit down and not just get walked back...last year he didnt have this ability...i'm cautious with this though cause i dont think he faced much but he did have one nice power rush attempt rep vs ansah who tried to go thru him where he sat down well and anchored...and there's definitely some growth there...more stout than i expected
***takes so much of the contact...even on the move...
*** feet look relatively average look more guard than tackle athletically...lateral agility and abilities stand out in a bad way...oversets commits to the outside gets off balance and as a result very susceptible to spin moves and outside inside redirection...i think he will open the door for speed power and for the most direct route to the qb inside...just doesnt have the lateral short area movement skills to match the edge rush athletes he will face in the next 7 games...he's gonna try and compensate for some athletic limitations and thats gonna open up a wide variety of things against high end rush talent
***technique in pass pro looks improved base is better not crossing over his feet or standing up and running out of his stance...last year it couldnt have been more ugly...needs work on hand placement and an effective punch...rarely has a guy off balance...
*** looks lost in the run game on anything where he's asked to engage at the los and come off to the lb level...hesitant and lost...some of this may be lack of familiarity with zone assignments at tackle and needs more practice and game reps...
*** one really nice run block pouncey engages the player at the los and comes off as thomas comes over at an angle and drives the edge player down inside the formation for the big damian williams off right tackle gain...this is probably where i think his best work in the run game lies...angle blocks at the los where he doesnt have to think about who he needs to pick up knows his primary assignment and can get on them with his size at a positive diagonal angle...
last miami possession of the game after the detroit 3 and out 1st and 10 he's supposed to engage pounceys man at the los and pass off to pouncey and come get the olb at the 2nd level while the center satele picks up the ilb at the 2nd level and the slot corner carries coverage...damian williams will cut up inside off tackle and inside the slot vacated zone this should be an 8 yard gain or more...it's set up exactly like we want it...instead he engages at the los and comes off and hesitates and picks up no one and the olb makes the tackle for a 4 yard gain...shouldnt happen can't happen...he never touched anyone...just stood around like he didnt know his assignment...should be 2nd and 2 and we are in business and the run pass playbook is wide open
overall this frankly looks like a guard athlete trying to play in space to me...not enough pop on contact at guard kicked outside to tackle where the lateral short area quickness and athlete dont fit the bill...looks like a soft version of willie colon playing tackle in a zone scheme...i dont see this going well...miami better protect him as much as possible with tight end help...dion sims stay healthy...i cant see us getting by with many 5 man front protections anymore...i doubt he will get to much past 3 yards of the los and i doubt he will give you much in the screen game i can see him having serious issues trying to flow down the los engaged and keep de's from setting the edge...
they can coach this kid up as much as they want technique and hand placement wise they can't fix the athlete and lateral abilities in space and the balance issues as a result...good luck ryan tannehill
