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as for todays action washington boise did not dissappoint...terrific game...although the qb price for washington was late all over the place and took bad sacks instead of getting rid of the ball...i had the # wrong for the wr williams but that kids a high round pick down the line wr he's a load to tackle and he's a murder run blocker down field...just about every one of those big runs by washington williams had sealed a man off at the second level...he just needs to get off the los with more burst and develop some polish to his game but that kid can play...

desmond trufant had one bad play all game long and i'm not even sure it was a bad play may have been more coverage dictated as in the coverage played too soft and with leverage that if the qb had time would give up the gain but it was a crucial conversion late in the game...although there was a blatant missed hold on the edge on the play with a guy turning the corner on the qb...

anyways trufant didn't get much action and it was for good reason...he had his responsibility locked down all game long...transitions out of his pedal very well fluid hips he had his head in the backfield while carrying guys down the sideline on the inside just feeling the wr down the field...didn't get beat over the top even when he squated he had the acceleration and burst necessary to still be even...played the throw back trick play extremely well...

gave up one other catch in the first half and i'm fairly certain that was coverage dictated and inside leverage on an outside breaking route...he also played a deep ball beautifully over the top of the wr and came back and high pointed the ball for an incompletion ball knock down

the te seferian jenkins remember that name in 2013...he's a top 50 te and maybe the #1 off the board next year...he sits down well vs zone and soft coverage and is solid in line and deceptive down the seam...not a burner and off the los at times he'll leave you kinda ehh but he understands coverages and leverage and if price wasn't so late all the time would be a 1000 yard te this year...as it is he still finished with 850 yards...
 
If we sign Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings in FA would make more sense to draft Tyler Eifort or Keenan Allen? I would prefer a dominant pass rusher too but that just isnt happening at pick 15 or so. Signing Wallace and drafting Eifort would really keep safeties occupied.
 
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as for todays action washington boise did not dissappoint...terrific game...although the qb price for washington was late all over the place and took bad sacks instead of getting rid of the ball...i had the # wrong for the wr williams but that kids a high round pick down the line wr he's a load to tackle and he's a murder run blocker down field...just about every one of those big runs by washington williams had sealed a man off at the second level...he just needs to get off the los with more burst and develop some polish to his game but that kid can play...

desmond trufant had one bad play all game long and i'm not even sure it was a bad play may have been more coverage dictated as in the coverage played too soft and with leverage that if the qb had time would give up the gain but it was a crucial conversion late in the game...although there was a blatant missed hold on the edge on the play with a guy turning the corner on the qb...

anyways trufant didn't get much action and it was for good reason...he had his responsibility locked down all game long...transitions out of his pedal very well fluid hips he had his head in the backfield while carrying guys down the sideline on the inside just feeling the wr down the field...didn't get beat over the top even when he squated he had the acceleration and burst necessary to still be even...played the throw back trick play extremely well...

gave up one other catch in the first half and i'm fairly certain that was coverage dictated and inside leverage on an outside breaking route...he also played a deep ball beautifully over the top of the wr and came back and high pointed the ball for an incompletion ball knock down

the te seferian jenkins remember that name in 2013...he's a top 50 te and maybe the #1 off the board next year...he sits down well vs zone and soft coverage and is solid in line and deceptive down the seam...not a burner and off the los at times he'll leave you kinda ehh but he understands coverages and leverage and if price wasn't so late all the time would be a 1000 yard te this year...as it is he still finished with 850 yards...
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So disappointed in Price this year. Had an amazing season last year where he looked like he could be a QB to watch in early rounds. Then he became a weakness this year
 
ChambersWI said:
So disappointed in Price this year. Had an amazing season last year where he looked like he could be a QB to watch in early rounds. Then he became a weakness this year
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that washington team could do damage next year if they had a qb...they still probably can win 8 games though...some high end looking talenton that team...qb holding them back
 
smus margus hunt holy moses that kids body beautiful...6 ft 8 280 lbs and gets off the ball extremely well off the edge...he's got an awful lot going for him i can tell ya that...i think his pass rush upside and explosion off what i'm seeing is better than that of bjoern werner...a little taller than i'd like but this kids got physical tools like jj watt level...man this kids impressive and he's another that's gonna destroy the combine...stacks well and when guys try to cut him or get in his legs he does a really nice job staying on his feet...very athletic...

only played football 4 years also...god dang...that kid looks sweet...i think he's a liability as far as at the poa vs the run at this stage seems to get moved off the los too much needs to get stouter and play with better leverage and he's another that looks like can get lazy pursuit wise...he's half assing it a lot when the plays away from him...i also see some stiffness in his hips but nothing that can't work with a 43 de...he's just kinda straight linish and doesn't have great cod...but this guys just scratching the surface...

one of the few 280 lbers who has the tools to win against nfl tackles off the edge...he's got serious tools...i think his quickness if shifted inside in the nickle would give guards serious issues...not a every down de to begin with which will hurt his stock but you can bet bottom dollar he's going in my top 50 bpa and someone that i view as a day 1 situational rusher and pass rush specialist who can shift inside...

if he goes to the senior bowl and looks the way i think he could as a pass rusher in one on ones etc he could seriously help his stock...i hope he gets an invite...
 
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updated includes all miami targets top 3 rounds if i was calling the shots off to date study...still a lot of guys to look at

wr
keenan allen top 20 bpa
robert woods
terrence williams
steadman bailey top 50 bpa
quinton patton
marquess wilson
marcus wheaton

slot wr
tavon austin
ryan swope 3rd round

cb
jonathon banks top 20 bpa
desmond trufant top 50 bpa
terry hawthorne top 75 bpa

safety
kenny vaccaro top 50 bpa
tony jefferson
philip thomas
baccari rambo

te
tyler eifert top 30 bpa
zach ertz 2nd round

ot
jake matthews top 20 bpa
taylor lewan
oday aboushi 2nd round
eric fisher
luke joeckel top 10 bpa

og
jonathon cooper top 40 bpa
chance warmack top 20 bpa

rt/og
barrett jones top 50 bpa

de
alex okafor top 50 bpa
margus hunt top 50 bpa
barkevious mingo top 5 bpa

dt
will sutton top 50 bpa

43 lb
arthur brown top 50 bpa
cj moseley

with de i'm pass rush first and foremost...mingo and hunt have rediculous get off and explosion that will give tackles fits...okafors not as explosive with the get off or burst off the edge but he's got something to him that i really like...you'll notice i don't have ansah on my list nor do i have olb dion jordan ansah does not have enough pass rush upside and explosion and jordans a stand up 34 olb all the way...

i wonder with s philip thomas if he has the top end speed to warrant a 1st round pick...i like his range and his coverage abilities and he's quite heady player but i have questions about long speed...need to see more

ot eric fishers grade still to come same for taylor lewan...

cj moseley may be more a weakside backer at the next level...i struggle with his strength at the poa...very instinctual however...

i may have terry hawthorne too low...that grade may be going up...
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2230 said:
If we sign Mike Wallace or Greg Jennings in FA would make more sense to draft Tyler Eifort or Keenan Allen? I would prefer a dominant pass rusher too but that just isnt happening at pick 15 or so. Signing Wallace and drafting Eifort would really keep safeties occupied.
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i would go allen...if i can't get mingo i would get allen and then look de if hunt or okafor were there with that high 2nd rounder...if not them corner makes a lot of sense to me there...think premium pass rush upside at de...not plugger
 
hooshoops said:
if he goes to the senior bowl and looks the way i think he could as a pass rusher in one on ones etc he could seriously help his stock...i hope he gets an invite...
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He has been invited (and accepted) to play the senior bowl already I believe.
 
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He has been invited (and accepted) to play the senior bowl already I believe.
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nice...get ready for a freak on the edge...thing is people are gonna see him get moved off the ball in the run game and bang him for it...there's no doubt leverage wise that height is gonna play against him...i don't think as a result of being so tall he's ever gonna be a stout poa guy although he's still so raw you never know but that off the edge initial step quickness with his hand in the dirt and the way he gets off the ball and that size and speed...thats called serious edge rush tools to work with...his get off and burst makes another guy of similar size last year in quentin coples off the ball look like chump change...he's a freak...

no doubt in my mind that guys gonna flush a lot of qbs out of the pocket at least as a 3rd down rush specialist...at minimum...you teach that guy to get his hands up in passing lanes when he can't get to the qb and he's also gonna volleyball passes...

that's the most interesting edge rush 280 lb guy i've seen in a while i know that...he has burst and explosion of a guy 30 lbs lighter...if he learns a redirect back inside counter move when tackles are cheating to get into their first kick step to the outside look out...
 
I could see Jeff Ireland liking Margus Hunt and I could even see Kevin Coyle liking him too if he really does like Jared Odrick at end. But I still feel there's something missing.

Hunt had an extraordinary game in the Hawaii Bowl...against 6'4" and 290 lbs FRESHMAN Alex Fifita (recognize the name?). Fifita's not just a freshman, he's a small-ish freshman that wasn't even on many schools' radar as a recruit. MaxPreps had him as the 735th ranked recruit...in California.

Hunt's frame, athletic ability and strength give him the promise of dominating like a J.J. Watt dominates. You watch J.J. Watt look like a man among boys out there, how big and strong he is, what a great frame, etc...and then you watch Margus Hunt, and even if they weren't the same skin color you'd see resemblance in the frame and potential for physical dominance. But Watt has, and always did have, so much better flexibility, balance, pad level, awareness...all the things that make you not just Ivan Drago trying to play defensive end, but actually a great football player.

I get genuinely worried about Margus Hunt because he's not very good against the run. You get worried he's going to be some kind of contradiction as a player. With his size a Kevin Coyle (and just about every other defensive coordinator) is going to look at him and say OK, he's a closed end type that reduces to the inside on pass rush downs. But that means he's a run stopper for at least half the time. Being so big and strong that should be fine. But being so aggressive, off-balance, not wholly aware, inflexible and raw...maybe that's not fine after all because I don't really consider him good against the run even in college. And at the same time, what if that raw combo size/athleticism isn't enough to make him a compelling pass rusher against NFL left and right tackles as opposed to freshman 290 lbs no-star prospects like Alex Fifita? Your backup plan is to put him at defensive tackle. But oh wait, bad pad level, awareness, flexibility, bad run stopper...just a pure gap penetrating tackle prone to ending up on the carpet. What use is that?

In short, I get worried that at the NFL level you've got a rotational defensive lineman whose largest impact comes on special teams as a kick blocker.
 
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Isn't Margus Hunt similar in size to Calais Campbell?
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yes he is...but on the edge is where hunt imo will thrive in the pros...he's definitely not as fluid or cod gifted as jj watt and he's definitely one that the pad level an leverage is gonna be a problem with but you can't tell me that guy doesn't have edge rush tools that cant translate at the next level...heck just use him at odricks end spot in the nickle as the rusher opposite wake when you kick odrick inside...those pass rush tools are way better than any 280 lb guy off the edge i've seen...

why can't he be a situational edge rusher with the potential to kick inside in a nickle rotation as he molds his game??? i don't see why not...

when i said jj watt i meant mainly measurables he's not the same kind of player nor do i envision him being that way...but what he does have and i mean it pops off the screen is for that size rediculous get off and burst off the edge...i guess we'll see how he fares at the senior bowl...i think he'll give guys fits on the edge in one on ones and team pass rush reps

i'd be drafted that kid to get me off the field on 3rd down initially...same thing i'd be drafting mingo for...just at a much higher cost cause his gifts are rediculous cod and hips wise and he moves like a gazelle
 
Jared Odrick doesn't play opposite Cam Wake in nickel packages very often if at all. He already kicks inside.

The Senior Bowl will be a big test for Margus Hunt. Going against good players has the potential to expose him a little bit. If you're a one-trick pony that trick ought to be really good else you never get on the field.

I remember watching him against real NFL caliber prospects in the SMU-Texas A&M game and coming away fairly unimpressed as a pass rusher. Looking like a totally dominating force against 290 lbs freshman no-star prospect Alex Fifita isn't going outweigh that. It figures into it some but doesn't outweigh it.

I just doubt that Hunt has the knee bend, balance or flexibility to consistently make an impact as a pass rusher from the outside.
 
b/t i didn't pay much attention to who he was up against with fresno and i really don't care...i paid attention to how he got off the ball and what he did after the initial burst at that size...and it was next level impressive...now a part of me wonders how he'll fare against more athletic lts in the pros cause he's been wrecking right tackles and cam wake will get his choice of who to rush against but for my money despite that size he's got get off and initial burst that only mingo can match...

now if you want to see him wreck another tackle take a look at the pitt game...
 
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