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I personally believe that Henne should start sooner than later but other people think he should sit and wait because it can damage him long term. My question is to the people who want him to sit for longer. When people say that it can hurt him to start too early I'm curious what specifically they think would happen to him that would damage is psyche? This isn't sarcasm or anything I am honestly curious. Are people afraid he is going to throw a lot of interceptions or get sacked a lot?
 
I can't speak for everyone's fear and/or trepidation about starting Henne. But I think some feel that it would be an admission of failure by the team. Pennington has played admirably and with a lot of heart. He's done very well (relatively speaking) with our anemic receiving corp. I think the player's in the locker room like CP a lot and rally around him. I'm not sure if they would be very receptive to throwing a rookie in again after the debacle last season. Personally, I think Henne will be fine, whether he starts this year or next. I just can't unequivocally say which Chad is the right Chad for right now.
 
I would like to see him play as much as the next guy. I know Pennington had a bad game sunday, but he hasn't played so bad that Sparano should bench him, but who know's Henne could come in there and light it up. If Pennington plays worse then I say yes go ahead and start Henne. It is really up to the coaching staff to evaluate the QB and the situation. Letting a rookie QB sit for the first year works For instance, Brady, and Palmer but sometimes when you let a rookie play it works out as well like Rothlisberger and the Manning bros. I'm sure our coaching staff will know what's right for Henne.
 
Yes the hurt psyche thing. Pat Ramsey and David Carr are examples of playing to early. But there are plenty of examples that playing early does no harm, like Peyton Manning. I prefer Henne sit for a year and learn. Why play him now? Experience? He'll get plenty once he gets in next year. Pennington is doing fine anyway.
 
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Yes the hurt psyche thing. Pat Ramsey and David Carr are examples of playing to early. But there are plenty of examples that playing early does no harm, like Peyton Manning. I prefer Henne sit for a year and learn. Why play him now? Experience? He'll get plenty once he gets in next year. Pennington is doing fine anyway.

Patrick Ramsey and David Carr are examples of bad quarterbacks. Great quarterbacks don't let losing and bad games affect them. That is one of the qualities that makes a great quarterback. I want Henne to get experience now so he can get his growing pains done with now instead of later.
 
I personally believe that Henne should start sooner than later but other people think he should sit and wait because it can damage him long term. My question is to the people who want him to sit for longer. When people say that it can hurt him to start too early I'm curious what specifically they think would happen to him that would damage is psyche? This isn't sarcasm or anything I am honestly curious. Are people afraid he is going to throw a lot of interceptions or get sacked a lot?

Its pretty easy to understand if you look at the same phenomenon, but a different scenario.

Consider a teenager who is just starting to get into the dating scene. He goes and asks a girl out, she says no. He asks another girl, she says no. He asks 5 girls, they all say no. What happens? He loses confidence in himself. He now expects girls to say no when he asks. He goes up to ask another girl, but this time he is extremely nervous, he doesn't really look at her, maybe even starts to stutter when he talks. What happens? She says no. Maybe she would have said yes, but he looked pretty pathetic, so she changed her mind. His reluctance made the situation turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy. He is now psychologically unable to successfully ask women out.

Now a second teenager asks a girl, she says yes. In fact, when asking girls out, he gets told yes rather than no more often than not, lets say 75% yes rate. His confidence is soaring. He can walk up to any girl, completely confident, smiling wide, and ask her out. Its also a self-fulfilling prophecy, because the women respond to his confidence. Sure, he gets a no once in a while, but the fact that he gets yes more often than not makes him shrug off the times he gets a no.

Its the same thing with Henne playing QB. If we throw him to the wolves, and he performs badly, its like the teenager that kept getting shot down. Eventually, he is going to go out there and expect to not perform well, because thats his history. Its going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. It has very little to do with mental toughness during the learning process. You can take the most confident person in the world, throw them in a scenario where they are learning for the first time, and consistent failures would do the exact same thing to them.

Now, the important thing to keep in mind here, is that no one is saying he is going to go out there and suck. Fact is, he may very well go out and play lights out. However, what the Dolphins want as a team, and the fans SHOULD want, is to minimize the risk of him going out there and flopping. How do we do that? We sit him a season or two, let him watch Pennington. Let him learn the playbook inside-out. Let him watch game film and learn how to recognize defenses, blitz packages, coverage tendencies, etc. This way, when he finally sees the field, he is in a good position to succeed initially. If he succeeds initially, then his confidence is going to sky-rocket. It'll be like the confident teenager. He'll succeed most of the time, and even when he fails, it won't phase him as much because he has had prior successes, and *believes* that he will just succeed the next time, like he normally does. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy again.

Hopefully that made it clear. Sorry its so long, I have a BA in psych and am in grad school for it, so I tend to ramble when the subject comes up......
 
we are 2-4 if we get to 4-9 i would expect to see Henne
But letting him start now would kind of be saying well guys were not doing it this year..
And i only say that because Qb is not our main problem right now so switching that player would seem odd the the vets on the team who know thats normally not how you get it done
 
Professional athletes aren't teenage boys. I'd like to think that since Henne was a 4 year starter at a huge college he would be a little more mentally tough than a high school kid. He has made plenty of mistakes on a huge stage yet he has made it this far. A competitive person like Henne will only want to succeed that much more if he fails. A self fulfilling prophecy is for people with a losers mentality. Some people stay down after getting knocked down and others get back up no matter how many times they end up on the ground. That is the kind of quarterback the Dolphins need.
 
Professional athletes aren't teenage boys. I'd like to think that since Henne was a 4 year starter at a huge college he would be a little more mentally tough than a high school kid. He has made plenty of mistakes on a huge stage yet he has made it this far. A competitive person like Henne will only want to succeed that much more if he fails. A self fulfilling prophecy is for people with a losers mentality. Some people stay down after getting knocked down and others get back up no matter how many times they end up on the ground. That is the kind of quarterback the Dolphins need.

I'm not comparing him to a teenage boy. I'm showing the exact same thing in different context. Its easy to think a grown man can't have his confidence shredded down by something, but all the research shows otherwise. Yes, I'm sure Henne has made mistakes on a large stage, but you overlook the point that he has had quite a bit more instances of success too, so he is better equipped mentally to rebound from the failures.

Well, I can't really convince you to change your mind on the topic, but thats the psychology of it for you condensed as much as I can. Whether you, or anyone really, agrees with it is one thing, but its very real......


Edit: Just reread that and realized it came off condescending. Definately not my intent, sorry......
 
Ask John Beck. No quarterback under any circumstances should be starting their rookie or sophomore year with the WR's we have implemented back there. Peyton Manning started early and succeded. You will develop pretty nicely when you're throwing it to Wayne and Harrison and have a solid O-Line to block for you. Quite frankly, Penny has played just fine and has no reason to lose his starting job, some people just need to get it in their heads, we're not a contender this year, not with Penny, not with Henne.
 
How can starting a rookie QB hurt his development? Is that a question you really need to ask?

He's in the learning stages right now. He needs to be groomed by the coaching staff into being able to successfully take over this team.

I am not at all interested in the learn as you go approach. Learn as much as you can, then go, seems like a more player friendly approach.

What do we have to gain from starting Henne if he's not ready? Sure he might get some experience, could be a good experience, could be bad. It's really up in the air and not worth the risk since we're not going anywhere this year anyway.

Keep giving him plenty of reps in practice. Maybe give him some garbage time for games, and get his ready to take over next season.
 
How can starting a rookie QB hurt his development? Is that a question you really need to ask?

He's in the learning stages right now. He needs to be groomed by the coaching staff into being able to successfully take over this team.

I am not at all interested in the learn as you go approach. Learn as much as you can, then go, seems like a more player friendly approach.

What do we have to gain from starting Henne if he's not ready? Sure he might get some experience, could be a good experience, could be bad. It's really up in the air and not worth the risk since we're not going anywhere this year anyway.

Keep giving him plenty of reps in practice. Maybe give him some garbage time for games, and get his ready to take over next season.
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The play of the QB position is not an issue. The problems are within the secondary, receiving corps and depth.

Benching Penne for Henne is equivalent to saying that the Ronnie Brown should be benched because he rushed 13 times for 27 yards or a measly 2.1 avg against the Ravens. Ridiculous thought huh?
 
Dude relax, it is a rebuilding year. Henne will get his time.
So lets have a QB that has over a 100 passer rating 3 of 4 games and now lets be the NFL A.D.D. fans that we are and call for an unproven rookie QB to take his place. That is just plain ignorant. If you can't learn from past mistakes we are only destined to repeat them. Penne is teaching patience and poise with the ball and in the pocket. Henne can learn much from him, so let him learn already.
 
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