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How comfortable are you with the report of trading up??

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I've been thinking about it a lot, and I have to say that I'd be ok with the idea of moving up even if it means giving up next years 1st.

If we give up our :
2015 1st
2016 1st
2015 4th
2015 5th

And receive :
2015 #4 Pick

How would you feel about this scenario? We would get an elite WR prospect in White or Cooper and still have our 2nd rounder to ILB and DB.

I think this is similar to what Buff did last year, the difference being that we have the only piece they're lacking. Our holes are WR,OG,ILB and DB after this trade we would theoretically only have 2 holes going into the season. While having the full capability of shoring up those spots in next's years draft while not even having a 1st rounder.

I'd like to hear you guys' opinions on this scenario ...I'd be in favor of it.
 
I personally would rather trade down and garner a few extra picks if possible. But that's just me.
 
If we do that, I'd personally recreate the movie "Falling Down". Because we are going to have so much money tied up into two players (Tannehill and Suh) over the next 5 years, we are going to need young cheap talent to help fill out the roster. I'm categorically against giving up significant picks to move up for that reason.
 
Trading up to 4 would have to be for a real blue chip player. Best player in the draft is Leonard Williams. He's the only one I would trade up for and I wouldnt put it past Tannenbaum.
Only way to beat the Pats is witb quick pressure up the middle without blitzing. Williams can play any position on the D line and has been compared to Watt and Richard Seymour.
Suh and Williams would make this the most dominant line in the league.
 
Trading up to 4 would have to be for a real blue chip player. Best player in the draft is Leonard Williams. He's the only one I would trade up for and I wouldnt put it past Tannenbaum.
Only way to beat the Pats is witb quick pressure up the middle without blitzing. Williams can play any position on the D line and has been compared to Watt and Richard Seymour.
Suh and Williams would make this the most dominant line in the league.

I agree, but he's not the only Blue Chip prospect though
 
I agree, but he's not the only Blue Chip prospect though

True but if he's available at #4 IF we trade up, you take him. Watt-like potential in Williams.

White is not all of that to me and you could probably get the same type of player in Cooper with Agholor in the 2nd.
 
I guess it depends on the price for me. They moved up to #3 overall in 2013 for a 2nd round pick, if that's all it took I would be ok with it. I think those two picks this year and the first rounder next year is too steep
 
I've been thinking about it a lot, and I have to say that I'd be ok with the idea of moving up even if it means giving up next years 1st.

If we give up our :
2015 1st
2016 1st
2015 4th
2015 5th

And receive :
2015 #4 Pick

How would you feel about this scenario? We would get an elite WR prospect in White or Cooper and still have our 2nd rounder to ILB and DB.

I think this is similar to what Buff did last year, the difference being that we have the only piece they're lacking. Our holes are WR,OG,ILB and DB after this trade we would theoretically only have 2 holes going into the season. While having the full capability of shoring up those spots in next's years draft while not even having a 1st rounder.

I'd like to hear you guys' opinions on this scenario ...I'd be in favor of it.

Here is my main problem with us trading up. We need MANY players to fix this team and become a consistent playoff team. One player like Kevin White or Amari Cooper is just not worth giving up all those picks. If we were maybe one guy away from being a SB team, than maybe I would do it, but we are thin at Linebacker, O-line and CB/Safety.
 
Could our first, fifth, and next years second and a third or fourth get it done?
 
In general, I believe that mid second round through fourth round is mostly a waste of time. Those picks are overvalued. It's simply too difficult to excel in that area given the blanket nature and all the uncertainties. If you want a comparison, it's like picking the winner of a second or third tier golf tournament in which none of the top guys show up.

Why make it difficult on yourself? Even an overmatched general manager or personnel man can identify at the top. I remember George Young of the Giants saying his grandmother could pick Lawrence Taylor.

I loved the Suh pickup partially because it means we actually have a great player and don't have to pretend that Wake qualifies, or Grimes, or (comically) Jones, etc. I get sick of those threads asserting that this guy is elite and that guy is elite. We haven't threatened elite in so long I can't remember the last guy who legitimately qualified.

As I've emphasized previously, in free agency I would always try for 1-0 every year, or 2-0 absolute tops. Target a great player and otherwise fill with league minimum types. Otherwise when you are targeting 5 or 8 guys then invariably it's like Storage Wars and the idiotic obsession to overpay for midrange lockers. Suddenly a pile of garbage sells for $1500. No different in free agency. You can almost guarantee the $3 million guys will disappoint.

Granted, I haven't followed this draft closely. I watched every tape of every bowl game so most of these guys were involved. The combine and workouts didn't exist to me this year, while I was happily occupied in my old Las Vegas haunts. That being said, if we can move up to grab an elite talent like Cooper or White I'd certainly do that even if meant we could go fishing for the duration. Or until the 5th round.

I'm convinced more teams would trade up if it weren't for all the time and monetary expenditure all year, and therefore a determination to spend those overrated mid round picks. Obviously some teams will thrive in those rounds, like recent Seattle. Who cares? Fixate on exceptions instead of the rule and you'll grind broke. I'm glad there is increased acceptance of that around here lately, and on sports forums in general.

I concede I don't know anything about salary cap specifics. I intentionally ignored the Tannehill situation. If we signed him, well that's what I expected. I don't have to like it or pay attention. That's not a high percentage move, like so many of our recent decisions. It may work out but it's about time we spotlighted legitimately great players and stopped playing pretend with guys like Dion Jordan or Ryan Tannehill. Since we're stuck with Tannehill he needs every bit of supreme talent around him. Suh was a terrific start. Now find someone else with All Pro DNA and not a bunch of third and fourth round guys who we have to scramble to learn more about, and suddenly they are far superior since we drafted them than if the Jets or anybody else had grabbed them.
 
It's one thing to trade up for THE key piece, a franchise QB. It's another thing to trade up for a receiver in a draft that is deep in receivers. It's also a bad idea to give up future 1st rounders. Those picks are valuable commodities.

The players and positions we need are deep in this draft. Under that scenario, you trade down to get more picks. There are a bunch of potentially good starters that will be had in the 2nd round.
 
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