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how do you pay ronnie brown and reggie bush type players

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I am wondering what you guys think about the type of contracts players like ronnie brown and reggie bush should get. Ronnie was the number 2 pick and got 20 mill up front. He.s going to be a fa after next season but do you think the team wants to let him go to ufa. Now he's shown a lot of promnise but never consistant. Does he get top rb.money like jackson johnson tomlinson or get a 5 year 30? Reggie bush is another enigma when he gets to ufa in 2 years.
 
I think a running back like Ronnie is way more valuable. Bush is clearly undersized and ineffective running between the tackles. He also lacks blocking skills. Ronnie is a complete back who can run, catch, and block.
Still, it's too early to think what kind of contract he will warrant. If he stays healthy and returns to his form from last season, I wouldn't be suprised if the Dolphins try to lock him down in the offseason. If he gets hurt and/or struggles, the most he will probably get offered is a one year "prove it" type of deal similiar to what Cleveland signed Jamal Lewis when he was a free agent. A lot can happen in two years.
 
Ronnie's never played an entire season. If he plays every game this season it will go a long way in getting him a big raise no matter who signs him. If, on the other hand, he gets injured again.........how much is a guy who will only play once in a while really worth???????????????????????????????????
 
I actually think Reggie Bush is a bit of a bust. He consistently averages 3.6 yds/carry. And it's not the o-line. In the past 2 seasons, his fellow RBs have all had higher rushing averages. Reggie Bush was hyped as the next Barry Sanders, and that clearly isn't the case.
 
As Elliott1 previously stated he hasn't played an entire season. Longevity and durability are always concerns at that position. Thankfully we have Ricky that should do wonders in keeping Ronnie healthy. This season has to play itself out. One game doesn't make a season.
 
No RB ever deserves a 2nd huge contract, no one in recent memory has ever maintained their level of play during the 2nd contract.

L.Johnson, S.Jackson(so far), E.James, W.Maghee, A.Green S.Alexander etc..... all have proven that this is the worst move you can do (even L.Tomilson looks like he's on the slide). Don't get me wrong I think R.Brown is awesome when healthy but you can't give this position another big money payday because the value isn't there.

This is why I think the FO paid R.Williams to ensure some sort of vet in the backfield when we either trade or release R.Brown. We need to draft another back after we let Ronnie go or if this year goes great for him try and trade him to give us a good 1-2 punch ala Dallas or NYG.

Invest that money to the O-line and stick anyone back there to succeed. Look at all the RB's out of this years draft doing well, S.Slaton, C.Johnson, M.Forte, K.Smith and even R.Rice is to bad. Take one of those guys or a reasonable FA like J.Lewis or a R.Johnson type of player.
 
3rdandinches said:
This is why I think the FO paid R.Williams to ensure some sort of vet in the backfield when we either trade or release R.Brown. We need to draft another back after we let Ronnie go or if this year goes great for him try and trade him to give us a good 1-2 punch ala Dallas or NYG.
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Wow. Did you just assert that Miami should drop Brown regardless of what he does this season?

So if he breaks out for 2000+ total yards and double-digit touchdowns you would prefer to trade him?

And for what? To have a good 1-2 punch ala Dallas or NYG?

Guess what? We already have a good 1-2 punch in Ricky and Ronnie. If both stay healthy, why in the world would you dismantle that?

Especially when you consider that Miami is in good shape cap-wise and has a front office that leans towards a power-running attack.
 
3rdandinches said:
No RB ever deserves a 2nd huge contract, no one in recent memory has ever maintained their level of play during the 2nd contract.

L.Johnson, S.Jackson(so far), E.James, W.Maghee, A.Green S.Alexander etc..... all have proven that this is the worst move you can do (even L.Tomilson looks like he's on the slide).
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I couldn't help myself. Had to reply to this tidbit as well:

Curious as to how diligent you were in fact-checking these assertions. Especially since Tomlinson posted career bests AFTER signing their second contract. Tomlinson got his contract extension in 2004 and then proceeded to have the 2 best seasons of his career.

And as for Edgerrin James, you can't go on his second contract because he signed a 7-year rookie contract and was still making Pro Bowls 6 years after his selection in the 1999 draft.

Also, what about a guy like Frank Gore, who signed his extension in March of 2007 and is still playing at an extremely high level?

What about Clinton Portis, who got his second contract prior to the 2004 season, when he was traded to the Redskins, yet continued to produce at a Pro Bowl level?

What about Fred Taylor, and Brian Westbrook, etc... and so forth?

Hell, what about Ricky Williams? He also had his best season AFTER signing his second contract.
 
hugoguzman said:
I couldn't help myself. Had to reply to this tidbit as well:

Curious as to how diligent you were in fact-checking these assertions. Especially since Tomlinson posted career bests AFTER signing their second contract. Tomlinson got his contract extension in 2004 and then proceeded to have the 2 best seasons of his career.

And as for Edgerrin James, you can't go on his second contract because he signed a 7-year rookie contract and was still making Pro Bowls 6 years after his selection in the 1999 draft.

Also, what about a guy like Frank Gore, who signed his extension in March of 2007 and is still playing at an extremely high level?

What about Clinton Portis, who got his second contract prior to the 2004 season, when he was traded to the Redskins, yet continued to produce at a Pro Bowl level?

What about Fred Taylor, and Brian Westbrook, etc... and so forth?

Hell, what about Ricky Williams? He also had his best season AFTER signing his second contract.
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I couldnt say it better myself and you be me to the punch haha. well said bro.
 
Reggie Bush and Ronnie Brown are nothing like each other. Reggie Bush is an awful runner and a fantastic receiver. One of them is a full time runningback and the other isn't. Obviously it all depends on Ronnie's health.
 
They aren't comparable. Bush isn't really a factor at all between the tackles. In terms of money, it's the top of the draft that causes these guys to make money that is way out of line from the beginning.
 
hugoguzman said:
I couldn't help myself. Had to reply to this tidbit as well:

Curious as to how diligent you were in fact-checking these assertions. Especially since Tomlinson posted career bests AFTER signing their second contract. Tomlinson got his contract extension in 2004 and then proceeded to have the 2 best seasons of his career.

And as for Edgerrin James, you can't go on his second contract because he signed a 7-year rookie contract and was still making Pro Bowls 6 years after his selection in the 1999 draft.

Also, what about a guy like Frank Gore, who signed his extension in March of 2007 and is still playing at an extremely high level?

What about Clinton Portis, who got his second contract prior to the 2004 season, when he was traded to the Redskins, yet continued to produce at a Pro Bowl level?

What about Fred Taylor, and Brian Westbrook, etc... and so forth?

Hell, what about Ricky Williams? He also had his best season AFTER signing his second contract.
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Frank Gore was drafted the same year as Brown but signed a shorter contract so his extension just brings him to RB's contract.
Yes Tomilson played to a high level for a year or two but you can already see the downside of the hill, he's now constantly battling one injury or another.

E.James is just another back in the league except he's making big bucks so that's my point.

Clinton Portis and B.Westbrook all signed shorter contracts to begin with but they both have also been fighting injuries especially Portis and there's no way you can say Portis is as good as a couple of years ago.

Fred Taylor is a freak of nature I'll give you that ONE.

Ricky Willaims signed a reasonably cheap extension if Ronnie is willing to do that I'm all in.

My point is it's the easiest position to replace with a effective player that you do not need to break the bank on. Past history has proven over and over again that those 2nd huge contract end up being a waste of money.

I never said guys can't be effective later on in their careers, it's just at what value is worth it. A reasonable contract then great, but a huge contract should be used for Bookend OT's, #1 WR, starting QB, shutdown CB's, stud NT or DE.

Also my point about trading Ronnie in the offseason if he has a big year is that his value is so great and we can get a real good RB in the 2/3 round to compliment R.Williams for 1/8 the cost and use that money for V.Carey or what ever BIG time FA we need. Most of the guys you mentioned weren't 1st round picks.

I love watching Ronnie play but he has shown that he does not finish seasons healthy and thats not going to get easier the older he gets especially with the style of running he does. If you want to break the bank for a position that averages a 5 year career then 9 times out of 10 you'll be regretting that deal within a couple of years.

Look at the past couple of offseasons alone, you could sign a J.Lewis, R.Johnson, W.Dunn, L.Jordan or a M.Pittman all relatively cheap to support a strong run game.
 
hugoguzman said:
Wow. Did you just assert that Miami should drop Brown regardless of what he does this season?

So if he breaks out for 2000+ total yards and double-digit touchdowns you would prefer to trade him?

And for what? To have a good 1-2 punch ala Dallas or NYG?

Guess what? We already have a good 1-2 punch in Ricky and Ronnie. If both stay healthy, why in the world would you dismantle that?

Especially when you consider that Miami is in good shape cap-wise and has a front office that leans towards a power-running attack.
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Your tying to say I'm wrong because of 1 season a player played better, but I'm talking about the length of the contract. If Ronnie signs a 2 or 3 year deal again I'm all in, but he's gonna want the 5-6 year huge contract. He certainly might play well for 1 or 2 years but the drop off after that won't be worth the contract.
 
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