How innovative will the offense be in 2009?

[oasis]

I've been thinking a lot about the offense this year - everyone's abuzz about what the Wildcat's evolution may be, Pat White's role in the offense, and Ronnie looking ready for a major year.

We've heard tidbits about new wrinkles being drawn up for the Wildcat, some involving Pat White.

We've heard about various backs and receivers all practicing throwing during OTAs.

We've heard Pat White has been struggling throwing, but at the same many are seeing dreams of him running all over the field this year.

My question to you is - make the prediction. Do you think, compared to last year, that our offense will be more or less innovative?

MORE - Lots of crazy stuff. New formations, very unpredictable offense that has never been seen before in the NFL. Several different triggermen for the 'cat. Dan Henning and David Lee go ape-**** and like last year, the Phins leave the NFL stunned and change the game.

SAME - Some new wrinkles here and there, but mostly like last year with Ronnie handling the snap. A smattering of non-traditional offensive plays to throw the defense off-balance and create some scoring opportunities, but nothing earth-shattering compared to what was already used last year.

LESS - Turns out most of the reports are a smokescreen and this year we end up focusing on regular-styled smashmouth football. Dan Henning runs out of ideas, and we end up out-thinking ourselves and becoming quite vanilla as an offense (though it still may be quite effective).

 

[Krush]

Well after I seen the whupping that they out on the jets Dec 28th last night I'm convinced that with Pat White that some of the old stuff that didn't work in the wildcat will work in the wildpat offense, I seen at least 4 plays where chad P went to the receiver posistion and no one man up on him, thus allowing the assigned cornerback to go into the box and stop the run, that will not happen this year, the fins will have more successful reverses and and defense will blow more coverages, and I think the receipent could be ricky williams. who has a better burst than brown will own the defense.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

The key to our season has more to do with personnel than anything else. If we keep our three interior OLman healthy then everything else will take care of itself. You have to keep in mind no one stopped or really even slowed down the wildcat schme wise. The only way it was stopped was when teams were able to defeat POA matchups because they were playing our backups on the OL. When the wildcat was blocked and executed it got big chunks of yardage.

I vote for the same. The wildcat is here to stay, and a good/great OL will make it MUCH better than anything Pat White can bring to it. What White brings is a way to keep Chad out of harms way during Wildcat plays. That I am all for.

 

[KTOWNFINFAN]

Well after I seen the whupping that they out on the jets Dec 28th last night I'm convinced that with Pat White that some of the old stuff that didn't work in the wildcat will work in the wildpat offense, I seen at least 4 plays where chad P went to the receiver posistion and no one man up on him, thus allowing the assigned cornerback to go into the box and stop the run, that will not happen this year, the fins will have more successful reverses and and defense will blow more coverages, and I think the receipent could be ricky williams. who has a better burst than brown will own the defense.

Ricky is fast and had a better burst last year, but you have to remember before last year no one had came back to play fulll time after that type of knee injury that quick. It usually takes 18 months. This year you will see another side of Ronnie. It will be RONNIE who has the burst.

 

[Dolphins Own]

I want Ginn taking snaps from the wildcat. He's so ****ing fast, and he will have a few yards to speed up from back there. Didn't he break a 50 yarder on a reverse play last year?

 

[The Furminister]

Dan Henning already said that he is making new plays involving Pat White

 

[ckparrothead]

Regardless of what they do with Pat White, and I am one of those that do not believe the Dolphins are desigining a section of the playbook with Pat White's name on it, or at least they won't until he looks good enough at the QB position to deserve more attention...regardless of what they do with White, they will be expanding on the Wildcat. They already had experimented with triple option type stuff rather than the single wing attack...like the run that sprang Ricky for 50 yards against the Seahawks. But Sparano says that the more they innovated during the season, the less successful they started to be, and they found that they needed to retreat back to the stuff they had originally implemented toward the beginning of the season and that when they did that, they started to free up again.

I think that just shows that it is difficult to really install an exotic playbook like that, innovating and evolving along the way during a regular season practice schedule. Now they have an entire camp to work on all kinds of things and I think that regardless of what they do with Pat White, they're going to run away with that and install all kinds of looks so that they have a wider range of options during the regular season.

 

[oasis]

Interesting points, CK. I especially agree with you on the "Pat White" playbook - it's hard to believe they'd invest so much in designing plays around him until he starts to show something in training camp. If the OTA reports are any indication, you'd think they would put the brakes on the PW playbook if they were working on it already.

I actually had a funny dream the other night after reading about the installs with Pat White lining up behind Pennington. In the dream, I was watching the Phins play the Jets, and Pennington kept pitching it over to White who would just throw it as far as he could to a streaking Ginn. It worked over and over and over lol.

 

[So Be]

Interesting points, CK. I especially agree with you on the "Pat White" playbook - it's hard to believe they'd invest so much in designing plays around him until he starts to show something in training camp. If the OTA reports are any indication, you'd think they would put the brakes on the PW playbook if they were working on it already.

I actually had a funny dream the other night after reading about the installs with Pat White lining up behind Pennington. In the dream, I was watching the Phins play the Jets, and Pennington kept pitching it over to White who would just throw it as far as he could to a streaking Ginn. It worked over and over and over lol.

We picked White for a reason, and you will see why this season. Trust me, it will happen.

 

[Dr. Phin]

I think we will install more new plays for use near the goal line, but other than that; I don't see a lot of changes from last year.

 

[JT-forpresident]

Regardless of what they do with Pat White, and I am one of those that do not believe the Dolphins are desigining a section of the playbook with Pat White's name on it, or at least they won't until he looks good enough at the QB position to deserve more attention...regardless of what they do with White, they will be expanding on the Wildcat. They already had experimented with triple option type stuff rather than the single wing attack...like the run that sprang Ricky for 50 yards against the Seahawks. But Sparano says that the more they innovated during the season, the less successful they started to be, and they found that they needed to retreat back to the stuff they had originally implemented toward the beginning of the season and that when they did that, they started to free up again.

I think that just shows that it is difficult to really install an exotic playbook like that, innovating and evolving along the way during a regular season practice schedule. Now they have an entire camp to work on all kinds of things and I think that regardless of what they do with Pat White, they're going to run away with that and install all kinds of looks so that they have a wider range of options during the regular season.

what's really hard in creating all those plays and being innovative, is to find time to practice those plays, you can't just draw'em up and try them on gameday.

i think they'll keep the wildcat they had last year, and they'll add a pure spread offence with White as a shotgun QB, RB and RW as runningbacks and Cobbs or fasano as a HB ... White ran that stuff in WV and was very productive in redzone with this alignment

 

[JT-forpresident]

oh BTW, on a scale from 1 to 10 for '09's creativity , i foresee a 11

simply based on the fact that they'll have to create something for white...

 

[ArmyFin7]

I have no idea. If White shows he can handle the job and get his throws under control, it could be really exciting to watch.