how is Ellis a better fit in a 3-4 than dorsey?

[JT#1]

Seriously can someone explain this to me? Dorsey is bigger and weighs more, but hes too small and Ellis is big enough? I think Ellis is going to be a hell of a player, but i think people are overating him a bit after one all star game.

 

[zach8111]

same here. i think they are overrating him a bit. but he will be a heck of a player. i think its ideal that we trade down and take Otah OT and pat sims NT (good size and great burst of speed and takling is great)

 

[PerfectTeam]

ellis is def a good player. no about that after watching the senior bowl practices. the thing is i dont think he would be a good fit in the 3-4. putting him in the cover 2, he could be the next sapp.

 

[albyfinfan]

couse dorsey is 4-3 tackle not a 3-4 end or nose plus dorsey is not even out of college and he allready has back problems, and with a guy that big thats dab news

 

[PerfectTeam]

couse dorsey is 4-3 tackle not a 3-4 end or nose plus dorsey is not even out of college and he allready has back problems, and with a guy that big thats dab news

back problems? i believe the back problems your refering to are because he was having to over compensate for a brutal chop block on his leg. Up until that chop block he had no history of injuries what so ever. I agree that dorsey is a 4-3 tackle but to say he isnt anything more than that is crazy. at 6-2 316, he is only a few pounds lighter than casey hampton one of the better nose tackles in the game, as boomer has alluded too. He also has enough ability to play 3-4 end due to superior quickness.

 

[Stitches]

Ellis is not a better fit, it is as simple as that.

 

[sam]

couse dorsey is 4-3 tackle not a 3-4 end or nose plus dorsey is not even out of college and he allready has back problems, and with a guy that big thats dab news

I read or heard somewhere that the so called back problem was actually only a bruised tail bone.

 

[mxkawi1]

Seriously can someone explain this to me? Dorsey is bigger and weighs more, but hes too small and Ellis is big enough? I think Ellis is going to be a hell of a player, but i think people are overating him a bit after one all star game.

I was wondering the same thing. I think(and I'm no scout) that Ellis is a better pass rusher. He is quicker and better with his hands. And I think Dorsey is a better run stopper.

 

[Roman529]

I think Ellis is a lot faster than Dorsey....gets trough O-lineman very quickly, better at sacking the QB than Dorsey. I think Dorsey has an edge on stopping runners, but they both are good tacklers. I think Ellis would be slghtly better in our overall D.

 

[PerfectTeam]

I think Ellis is a lot faster than Dorsey....gets trough O-lineman very quickly, better at sacking the QB than Dorsey. I think Dorsey has an edge on stopping runners, but they both are good tacklers. I think Ellis would be slghtly better in our overall D.

i dont see how ellis is a better fit than dorsey. ellis is best used as a penetrating DT in the cover 2 where that speed and quick first step will work great for that defense. i think he is fairly miscast in a 3-4 where as dorsey isnt. he has the strength to play the nose and the quickness to play end.

 

[JT#1]

I think Ellis is a lot faster than Dorsey....gets trough O-lineman very quickly, better at sacking the QB than Dorsey. I think Dorsey has an edge on stopping runners, but they both are good tacklers. I think Ellis would be slghtly better in our overall D.

we are most likely going to run primarily a 3-4 D, d-lineman in a 3-4 D' primary responsibility is to free up the linebackers to make plays and and man their gaps in the run and make stop the run and don't very often get many sacks, thats the outside linebackers jobs.

 

[ChambersWI]

this is what we call a heat of the moment bandwagon. The senior bowl was probably the first time most people here really watched Ellis play (not USC, Ellis). He'll be a great player, but people are just focusing on what he did at the senior bowl; where he was the only elite prospect (though you could throw Rivers,McKelvon and Connor in there as well). Really the senior bowl is mostly to showcase lower round guys and help their stock. Ellis was a top 10 pick before the senior bowl, and he's a top 10 pick after the senior bowl.

 

[MrTree]

Frankly it's ignorance. And I'm sorry if you are in that boat, but it is ignorant to think that Ellis is a better DT or even NT than Dorsey. Dorsey is bigger, has phenomenal strength, and a better burst.


There have been a lot of people who have been looking for a reason to doubt Dorsey, but they can not provide a compelling argument.

BTW for the guy who said Dorsey had a back injury. His injury was a bruised tailbone. Since the tailbone is considered a part of the back they listed it as a "back injury." Hardly a chronic injury. As a matter of fact the guy is the exact opposite of injury prone. He still played at an incredibly high level after a chop block that should have been borderline career ending.

The guy is an absolute stud.

 

[Boomer]

It's called Senior Bowl ignorance.

People believe that the Senior Bowl is actually more important than a collegiate career. They hear a rumour and it becomes like Chinese whispers and all of a sudden it's true. All of a sudden Sedrick Ellis is a better player than Dorsey based on what happened in Mobile? Please.

Someone writes that Glenn Dorsey is injury prone and all of a sudden it's fact, when in reality it's actually lazy.

 

[MrTree]

It's called Senior Bowl ignorance.

People believe that the Senior Bowl is actually more important than a collegiate career. They hear a rumour and it becomes like Chinese whispers and all of a sudden it's true. All of a sudden Sedrick Ellis is a better player than Dorsey based on what happened in Mobile? Please.

Someone writes that Glenn Dorsey is injury prone and all of a sudden it's fact, when in reality it's actually lazy.

But Boom Mike Mayock said Ellis was better! Who are we to question!?

The sad thing is is that I like Ellis as a prospect, but this Ellis is better than Dorsey stuff is rediculous.