How is our offense different?

[LikeUntoGod]

I've not really been able to watch the preseason. So I know our defense did not show up but I would like to know if we are doing different things on offense.

I've seen a few minutes and it looks like the same formations, short passes etc.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Route combos are better. It's not the same 3 yards crossers and screens.

Moving the pocket by using Ryan's ability to throw on the run.

Nothing else really. Way to early to see everything.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

Route combos are better. It's not the same 3 yards crossers and screens.

Absolutely this. It's something a bunch of people here were really down on Lazor for going back to 2014. Just the terrible route combinations where guys were all jammed up together within 5 yards of the LoS. For instance, this is what we saw a lot of under Lazor:

Four guys all coming out of their breaks and going horizontal within 4 yards of the line of scrimmage. This was our offense under Bill Lazor for two years.


Compare that to this really well designed pass play from last night:

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I was trying to find a vine of the big pass play to Pead, but I couldn't, because Twitter is a giant piece of ****. It's hard to see it on the TV broadcast, but one of the big problems we had -- particularly under Lazor -- was that we really didn't do a good job of creating space for receivers in the passing game and isolating DBs to pick on, or in clearing out safeties to give guys opportunities to run loose.

Basically, what I'm seeing is that Adam Gase just understands how to make the passing game work.

 

[AgentXof12]

Absolutely this. It's something a bunch of people here were really down on Lazor for going back to 2014. Just the terrible route combinations where guys were all jammed up together within 5 yards of the LoS. For instance, this is what we saw a lot of under Lazor:

Four guys all coming out of their breaks and going horizontal within 4 yards of the line of scrimmage. This was our offense under Bill Lazor for two years.


Compare that to this really well designed pass play from last night:

[TWEET]767029206475804672[/TWEET]


I was trying to find a vine of the big pass play to Pead, but I couldn't, because Twitter is a giant piece of ****. It's hard to see it on the TV broadcast, but one of the big problems we had -- particularly under Lazor -- was that we really didn't do a good job of creating space for receivers in the passing game and isolating DBs to pick on, or in clearing out safeties to give guys opportunities to run loose.

Basically, what I'm seeing is that Adam Gase just understands how to make the passing game work.

I confess, I LOL'd at this.

You really nailed on the head what specifically was better last night. Just the different looks from the offense appeared to have a lot more going on than what we can see on the field. Any time Tannehill left the pocket, plays would develop as he scrambled and I believe it was Pead on the big play who seemed to be totally forgotten by the defense. Even on the pass play in the video you posted, Stills got single coverage which made all the difference.

One can only imagine for now what the offense will look like with an actual game plan where we, dare I say it, attempt to play match ups. My expectations are raising.

 

[xXwarXx]

Too early to see the offense IMO.

Were just seeing the run of the mill stuff in preseason. No ome wants to give up their playbook this early.

I do think when drake is healthy and acclimated to the offense your going to see a big difference. His receivng ability and ability to flex out as a WR will be a big part of Gases offense.

You don't draft him that high, over other running backs, if you don't expect to use his strengths a lot. I expect a Shane Vereen role, like when he was in NE, but with more downfield routes.

Tannehill should thrive with drake IMO. I think drake is being extremely underrated around here as a receiving WR.

To bad we didn't draft David Johnson last year like I wanted to. He would of been the perfect piece for gase/tannehill. Like a better version of Clay.

 

[Phinatic8u]

Wanny killed it. I'm going to link this thread every time someone asks about this.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

So you think that they just came up with a dummy passing game specifically for preseason games?

They're practicing the concepts they're going to run. Obviously, they aren't showing everything, or how specific players are going to be used as mismatches, but we're getting an idea of what our offense is going to look like.

Wanny killed it. I'm going to link this thread every time someone asks about this.

If you want better examples of the route combination / pass game spacing stuff, go back in Ian Wharton's twitter timeline through 2014. It was one of his recurring criticisms of the offense, and he was a lot harsher on the coaching staff than I was.

Now some of these plays are designed as man-coverage beaters, that's true, but when you're consistently running multiple shallow crossers as the every down staple of your passing game, that's a huge problem.

 

[LDaniel7]

Absolutely this. It's something a bunch of people here were really down on Lazor for going back to 2014. Just the terrible route combinations where guys were all jammed up together within 5 yards of the LoS. For instance, this is what we saw a lot of under Lazor:

Four guys all coming out of their breaks and going horizontal within 4 yards of the line of scrimmage. This was our offense under Bill Lazor for two years.


Compare that to this really well designed pass play from last night:

[TWEET]767029206475804672[/TWEET]


I was trying to find a vine of the big pass play to Pead, but I couldn't, because Twitter is a giant piece of ****. It's hard to see it on the TV broadcast, but one of the big problems we had -- particularly under Lazor -- was that we really didn't do a good job of creating space for receivers in the passing game and isolating DBs to pick on, or in clearing out safeties to give guys opportunities to run loose.

Basically, what I'm seeing is that Adam Gase just understands how to make the passing game work.

I had to laugh again -- some supposedly big name posters kept talking Lazor's superior *spacing* over and over again as if it were true.

Just another realization that a lot of supposed experts have no idea what is transpiring on the field.

LD

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

I had to laugh again -- some supposedly big name posters kept talking Lazor's superior *spacing* over and over again as if it were true.

Just another realization that a lot of supposed experts have no idea what is transpiring on the field.

LD

He did a good job of designing the run game. The spacing we created for Lamar Miller was part of what allowed him to be so effective when we actually gave him the damn ball. Lazor absolutely deserves credit for that, it was one of the things he did right.

I maintain that if Bill Lazor had been willing to make a couple of changes and simply run the damn ball, he might still be coaching here. He was just very stubborn.

 

[Danny]

I believe in time the biggest difference will be the faster pace. We started to see a little bit of it last night. In order for it to work your oline needs to do it's job and you need some field position but once it starts to work and you get some first downs it can really get the other team's defense very tired. At least I believe that's what Gase is looking to do with our offense. We have the receivers to make it work. If the oline can hold up we have a chance to see a very fast paced offense

Ozzy rules!!

 

[LDaniel7]

He did a good job of designing the run game. The spacing we created for Lamar Miller was part of what allowed him to be so effective when we actually gave him the damn ball. Lazor absolutely deserves credit for that, it was one of the things he did right.

I maintain that if Bill Lazor had been willing to make a couple of changes and simply run the damn ball, he might still be coaching here. He was just very stubborn.

I was more talking about spacing in the passing game.

And the running game across the board wasn't very successful AT ALL on running downs. Those third and forevers that Miami faced over and over and over again were totally linked to inability to run the ball on running downs. Miller hit on a few plays enough to bump his stats but overall, it wasn't consistent.

LD

 

[Lionstone]

Thr

 

[Beach Bum]

As far as the passing game goes, my only beef this year is when it's 3rd down and we need "X" amount of yards for a 1st down our guys run "X - 2" yards . The commentators pointed this out several times and sort of blamed our WR or RB for running a poor route. No expert here, but I would say that it's part of the design and our guys need to pick the rest up on their own. I am not really a big fan of that design, but when we talk about spacing you can't have all the guys run the same depth. I just wish Tannehill would be more aggressive and play to win instead of playing it safe and not to lose. That said, if our guys who are deep enough to get the 1st down are covered, Tannehill can force it and possibly turn the ball over, he can throw it away, or he can throw it shallow and hope the guy makes a play. An argument can probably be made either way on what's best, but I think Philbin and Sherman really screwed Tannehill up. The guy plays it too safe. To be great, sometimes you have to take risks.

 

[roy_miami]

If all you did was read this forum and you would come away thinking Lazor was one of the worst Dolphin coaches of all time.

The offense was ranked 8th in 2014, how much higher would it have been with a good guard instead of Dallas Thomas starting every game? Or without Samson Satele as our starting center, who bizarrely hasn't been able to find a job since. How much higher would it have been with better receivers than Hartline, Wallace and a rookie Landry? How about losing our starting RB, surely that had an impact? How much higher would it have been with an elite QB. How about Philbin, in the running as "the worst head coach in Dolphins history," surely he had a negative impact on Lazor's ranking? And the route combinations were holding us back as well?

For me being 8th with an average QB is pretty good, and thats despite everything else that was holding the offense back. In fact, we were the only offense ranked in the top 8 without an elite QB. Of course the other option is that Tannehill is elite and was the one making Lazor look good. But if that were the case there would be other evidence of that besides just the offenses ranking.

Anyway, we'll see after the season how good Gase is. My prediction though is he won't have the offense ranked as high as Lazor did.

 

[J. David Wannyheimer]

If all you did was read roy_miami's posts, you would come away thinking Joe Philbin was an elite NFL head coach.

The end.