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How Long Does It Take Great QBs To Break Out

Is 24TD's/17INT's and nearly 4k yards really below average behind a high school girl offensive line?


Especially considering they were improved numbers from the previous year? Is it so abnormal to imagine they won't improve a little more this year? Say 30TD's and over 4K yards?

The writer says if Tannehill" becomes a star QB" he would be a unique case. Considering he was a WR until his junior year of college, well, he's already kind of a unique case.
 
I can't wait to see him play this year. Kids the real deal years ago progress like his wouldn't be questioned but for some reason now we we have no patience.
 
I find it interesting that the author made excuses for the littany of star QBs who didn't breakout in their first three years and yet discounts Tannehill's offensive line last year and completely neglects the receiver corps Tannehill's first year.
 
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SSnowman said:
Apparently Shouright is doing blogs now.
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Is the author Shouright? Why pick on Tannehill? Sure sounds like Shouright.
BTW - I'm increasingly convinced that the change in Offensive Coordinator is precisely what Tannehill needed to develop further as a QB. Yes, he looks set for a breakout season. He's got a lot more weapons to play with (Landry's a stud, Gibson is back, Matthews has visibly improved, Dion Sims + Clay, and we haven't seen Knowshon catching screen passes yet).
 
The guy I trust the most on QB's has compared Tannehill to Gannon most often. Been saying it since year 1. It may not take that long, but we may need to be patient until about year 10. Time will tell. At this point it almost may be worth it because what are the chances that we dump Tannehill next year and find an answer in the next 7 years? Given our track record it is very slim. Plus, just because it may take say another 7 years for him to be able to "carry" a team, it doesn't mean he can't win with the right team around him, the right offensive scheme, and the right coaches.
 
Dolphin North said:
The guy I trust the most on QB's has compared Tannehill to Gannon most often. Been saying it since year 1. It may not take that long, but we may need to be patient until about year 10. Time will tell. At this point it almost may be worth it because what are the chances that we dump Tannehill next year and find an answer in the next 7 years? Given our track record it is very slim. Plus, just because it may take say another 7 years for him to be able to "carry" a team, it doesn't mean he can't win with the right team around him, the right offensive scheme, and the right coaches.
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We saw last season that Matt Ryan, the favorite lollipop of some around here, even with Football Outsiders #9 ranked pass protection OL can't carry a team when his superstars go down either.. but then again we've already seen that he has difficulty carrying a team with all his superstar receivers and GOAT TE when it's the midnight hour in postseason, so in that respect Tannehill is probably in the majority, not the minority when it comes to good and high potential QBs doing their best Archie Manning imitation. Essentially you've got Peyton, Brady and Rodgers and then everyone else - as Brees proved in the '12 season. But be that as it may, I didn't realize the Helen Keller Institute had a fantasy football blogger. Props to him for trying. :up:
 
Despacio said:
Is 24TD's/17INT's and nearly 4k yards really below average behind a high school girl offensive line?


Especially considering they were improved numbers from the previous year? Is it so abnormal to imagine they won't improve a little more this year? Say 30TD's and over 4K yards?

The writer says if Tannehill" becomes a star QB" he would be a unique case. Considering he was a WR until his junior year of college, well, he's already kind of a unique case.
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As I've been arguing for what seems like forever, any worthwhile survey of QB's, looks at efficiency numbers. No one but the common, uneducated fan, values yards - without weighing them against attempts. This article also supports what I've been arguing. If a QB does not play well early, the odds are stacked against him. There is reason for hope - with the new offense, etc. But this board needs to wake up to the FACT that history doesn't like Tannehill's chances. It's not about fault; it's about results. Early success is not ONLY an indication of talent, but it's an indication that the QB's organization knows how to groom that QB. There are always exceptions, and I hope that Tannehill is one of these exceptions. Understand, though, that if he succeeds, he would be an exception.
 
I don't know too many people who had high praise for Miami's receiving Corp. In 2012, in fact it was awful....or Miami's horrid O-line mess in 2013, which landed Tannehill as one of ten most sacked QBs in single season NFL history.

Miami was not a good football team in either season.

Also there is the limited number Of college' starts he had.....another extenuating circumstance.

With that said.....he improved nicely in year two...and barring his pass protect failing badly this year...I expect him to leap into the top ten in 2014.
 
Let's keep in mind when bringing up the 4k yards that all we did last year was throw the ball. Not to discount Tanney but it is a fact that we would totally disregard the run game for weeks at a time.
 
Tureo said:
Let's keep in mind when bringing up the 4k yards that all we did last year was throw the ball. Not to discount Tanney but it is a fact that we would totally disregard the run game for weeks at a time.
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Let's keep in mind this team was not effective running the ball....hence more passing.

It was not effective in pass pro.....and it was not effective stopping the run.

How would any fair evaluation be done and not consider the 2012-13 Dolphins a bad football team?
 
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