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In the past 8-9 seasons the Dolphins have run through a pretty impressive coaching list. Don Shula had a fantastic run. After that its almost been a revolving door as first Jimmy Johnson quit, Dave Wanstanst quit, Nick Saban quit and Cameron/ Mueller were shown the door last year. Jimmy Johnson and Nick Saban were top notch choices for NFL coaches at that time and as much as folks like to blame Wayne in some cases you cannot really blame him for pursuing the best of the best. Now Parcels & Co is in town and if the pattern continues it appears it could be about a 2 year party and then time to cut and run out of town. Jimmy's and Sabans first year were better than most expected then in year 2 it was a bit worse. Thats when the pressure started to mount and with the high expectations for those coaches in addition to their fame and ego's it was just too much to bear for them to stand so they quit. My question is could there be a pattern here and are in for more of the same again ? Dave W was really the only one who had some amount of success in terms of winning and much of that is attributed to Dave W. building on Jimmy Johnson's personnel. I do agree with that logic as what Dave did was instead of retooling the entire roster he built on what Jimmy started. Dave AW acquired more NFL veterans on his rosters instead of rookies by trading away draft picks. One observation I have to throw out is what I call the "offensive line pattern" which I believe was both Shula's and Dave Wanstant direct undoing their last year when they both went out and attempted to retool the entire offensive line in one season and that experiment went terrible and the next year both were gone. An argument could be made our offensive line has been unstable for years now and these great coaches we have had have been hitting the door out of Miami fairly quickly maybe for that reason alone. We now again have a big name for a coach in Miami and again we are rebuilding the offensive line so give me some reasons why we should be more successful this time around or do you think we are in for more of the same thing again and in 2 or 3 years and Parcel's and company will be leaving town?
 
You make some good points but I would consider more than just the O-line in their/our failures over the past few years. For one we have failed to get any consistancy at the QB position for years. I think that it's a bit of a lottery to say whether Parcells & Co will stop the rot and break the mould, but I like the way they've started to go about it. Sooner or later Miami will turn it around and break this pattern, it remains to be seen when though.
 
Sparano isnt a big name at all

that said, I think this group could be one of the longest tenured in recent years

Sparano is young, Ireland isnt very old either, and they could both last well after Parcells leaves

I also think that Parcells will stay all 4 years, and potentially longer as well

it isnt like the past where he'll be burned out from all the coaching.....he'll be spending gamedays in a luxury box

he has billionaire co-owners willing to give him whatever he wants, and they wont interfere with daily operations like Jones did
 
If we don't win the superbowl Wayne will probably axe them.
 
For one thing, no one drafted a franchise left tackle during the timeframe of which you write. Additionally, neither Wanny, nor Saban, nor Cameron, required an exceptional strength and conditioning program. While I do not expect Parcells to be in Miami for an extended length of time, I do expect him to lay the foundation for the forseeable future. That foundation relies on quality character, stellar strength and conditioning, and detail oriented coaching. If Sparano and Company experience success, I would expect him to stay in Miami for a long period of time while Parcells trots off into the sunset.

Only Shula and Jimmy Johnson demanded a physical conditioning program that is on par with those of other top teams. Wanny seemed to let the players run the show and little Nickie wanted to pamper the players, and more importantly himself, with the "will-softening" Practice Bubble. Cam and Company....well, they were just Cam and Company...what more can you say? In short, I expect more focused, better conditioned players, who are coached by coaches who "dot all the i's and cross all the t's." Coupled with sound draft management (i.e., refusal to trade away draft picks on overpriced/overhyped players and sound character assessment), we should also expect a continued renewable resource of young talented players. As a result, we fans should be highly confident in the franchise's ability to rise to the level of prominence it once enjoyed.
 
IMO, I think PArcells will only be with Miami for 4 years but Sparano and Ireland will remain with Miami for a long while. After Parcells 4 years is over, I'm expecting to see him rebuild another franchise by picking apart Miami's position coaches like he did for Miami this year by picking apart Dallas's coaching staff.

Parcells departure from Miami will be different from his departure from Dallas being that Sparano and Ireland will expect and prepare for when Parcells starts hiring Miami positional coaches for promotions. Dallas wasn't prepared for it.

That's the way I see it going down.
 
Parcells will probably be here for 3 years. That seems to be about as long as he can tolerate being in the same place....so unless he's changed alot in his old age that's his M.O.

Ireland and Sparano could stick around for a long time, depends on how they do really. My guess would be that Ireland will be here longer than Sparano, if one of them were to leave.
 
RUDEbyallMEANS said:
IMO, I think PArcells will only be with Miami for 4 years but Sparano and Ireland will remain with Miami for a long while. After Parcells 4 years is over, I'm expecting to see him rebuild another franchise by picking apart Miami's position coaches like he did for Miami this year by picking apart Dallas's coaching staff.

Parcells departure from Miami will be different from his departure from Dallas being that Sparano and Ireland will expect and prepare for when Parcells starts hiring Miami positional coaches for promotions. Dallas wasn't prepared for it.

That's the way I see it going down.
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Sorry to go out of topic but I find JT's left shoe very disturbing in your sig, what happened?
 
Bill will probably stick for the four years he's signed to be here, and then he'll leave. For now, he's got it made. He doesn't have the stress of being a head coach, he doesn't have to be the GM, he doesn't have to talk to the media (something he must be really enjoying), he's got a home in South Florida, no state tax, plus he can go to the horse races.
 
Bill had valid reasons everytime he left a team. To assume he will not honor his contract in miami is a bit unfair.

How long will he stay? My best guess goes like this:

I think he views miami as an opprotunity to be the crown jewel in his legacy of coaching. I think he stays for at least as long as it takes to win the big one. He will then hold the honor of being able to say he went into a town and took a 1-15 team, gutted it, rebuilt it, and won it all. That will make him king of his era of coaches. When people argue about who was the best his name will more then not be on the top of the list.
 
shula_guy said:
Bill had valid reasons everytime he left a team. To assume he will not honor his contract in miami is a bit unfair.

How long will he stay? My best guess goes like this:

I think he views miami as an opprotunity to be the crown jewel in his legacy of coaching. I think he stays for at least as long as it takes to win the big one. He will then hold the honor of being able to say he went into a town and took a 1-15 team, gutted it, rebuilt it, and won it all. That will make him king of his era of coaches. When people argue about who was the best his name will more then not be on the top of the list.
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Yeah!...and when he does retire, well...he'll already be in Miami.:D
 
If they go with the " i only play my guys" policy for example playing Henne instead of BEck they wont last long.

Untill many fans in Miami and specially Huizenga understands that coaches that adpat to what they have are the best and not the other way around they will keep on changing the coach.
 
Don't be surprised if downroad Ross offers BP ownership participation to stay. In 3-4 years Bill will be in shouting range of 70 and I expect his priorities will change with his energy level. Really, with hand picked GM and coaches and his house in Jupiter, what could be a better job than this for someone in the twilight of his career? Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I believe the Fins will be his last NFL stop before climbing back into the broadcast booth.

As to why things will be different this time, I know hindsight's a rare luxury but with his inconsistent drafts, overrated coaching and foisting of Wanny on us, I attribute JJ as the one most responsible for setting this team back for years to come. Neither his passing, nor his proxy Wannstedt's were lamentable. Saban was a quitter without a backbone who reached for the pot of gold after his realization that being a mediocre NFL HC could tarnish his legacy... and of course Cam was just cam. This is a long way of saying that (so far) I don't see the analogies to the past, especially with the triumverate's first draft being so quietly impressive. These guys rightly passed up this year's fools gold, like Ryan to plant the building blocks for their draft a few years downroad; they didn't feel the need to start off with a showy splash. I'm impressed and think we have the nucleus of FO and field management in place for years to come.
 
BP will be here for 2 years. When he sees he can't turn around this crap team he will quit like everyone else has done.
 
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