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If you count undrafted free agents that come in as dolphins straight from college, as well as our draft picks I think you will start to see what kind of GM Ireland really is. I am starting this thread as a way to eat some crow. I have been wanting Ireland ran out of town nearly as bad some of the rest of you, but lets take a realistic look around.


This year's starting lineup COULD be


QB: Tannehill------------Drafted by dolphins
RB: Miller or Thomas-- Drafted by dolphins (yeah I know Bush will probably be the starter)
WR: Hartline------------ Drafted by dolphins
WR: Bess---------------- Undrafted free agent, straight from college to miami
TE: Clay and Egnew--- Drafted by dolphins
LT: Long ---------------- Drafted by dolphins
LG: Incognito----------- brought in
C : Pouncey------------ Drafted by dolphins
RG: Jerry---------------- Drafted by dolphins
RT: Martin-------------- Drafted by dolphins ( I really don't think he is ready to start, but it could happen)

Now before I go on I will admit that Bush is probably the starter and RT may not be under center, Fasino will probably start as well but what you are starting to see a team built around it's draft picks. I know Bess was not actually a draft pick but was still a player the front office brought in rather than bringing in from another team. I can't remember a dolphin team with so many players that are OUR players rather than players we brought in from elsewhere.

Defense:
SS: Jones-----------Drafted by dolphins
FS: Clemons--------Drafted by dolphins
CB: Davis-----------Drafted by dolphins
CB: Smith-----------Drafted by dolphins
LB: Burnett---------brought in
LB: Dansby---------brought in
LB: Misi-------------Drafted by dolphins
DE: Odrick---------Drafted by dolphins
DE: Wake----------was drafted by another team, but was found by FO from Canada. Counting him as UDFA
DT: Soliai----------Drafted by dolphins
DT: Starks---------brought in

So really we only have three on defense and any where from 1 - 3 on offense that are not true dolphins. I don't know what the league average is for this but that has to be close to the top of the league for players who are original draft picks. Some of you stat guys can go out and do the numbers if you like but Ireland is getting keepers, even though I have to admit I might have been wrong about him. Maybe he isn't the bum I thought.
 
The biggest hole is the offensive line and probably the best player drafted to start from the get go is Martin the OT from Stanford. My next bet would be the TE from Missouri at least as a role player because after Fansano we really have very littile at the TE position. Clay IMO will fill in as a FB. Really the rest of the draft is more role players, I see the DE from Miami really just coming in on 3rd down packages along with OLB from Oregon as both guys were picked as much for their pass rush as anything else. Miller still has a bad shoulder to rehab and has Bush in front of him so we might see him on kickoffs and spinkled in a little bit here and there. The DT from Texas looks pretty good but we have lots of talent in front of him so he sill provide depth. The reall opportunity to shine for a rookie on this team will be at WR. I am putting my money on Jeff Fuller. The kid has something to prove and was a first or second round pick if he had come out last year. From the reports I have seen if they are true is that he played with a bad hamsting, concussion as well as a bad foot last year which drug down his production. If he can overcome those injuries then he has a good chance. Still many times when athlete get injured like that especially the concussion they do not always bounce back. If he does not come through then the WR from Nevada our last pick I have my eye on. Really the WR comes down to this IMO Bess, Hartline, Gates, then Moore,Wallace and Pruitt will fight it out for one position, then one of the four rookie WR's will make it with at least 2 to the practice squad and the 6 spot will probably go to the FA WR we picked up at least for the beginning of the year unless one of the rookies out plays him which is possible. Gates is kind of the wild card in all this we need production and he may need more time. Right now my money is on Bess, Hartline, Moore, Fuller, Naanee and Gates with Mathews the next guy up on PT and possibly Derek Moye from Penn St as that last guy on the PT.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
If you count undrafted free agents that come in as dolphins straight from college, as well as our draft picks I think you will start to see what kind of GM Ireland really is. I am starting this thread as a way to eat some crow. I have been wanting Ireland ran out of town nearly as bad some of the rest of you, but lets take a realistic look around.


This year's starting lineup COULD be


QB: Tannehill------------Drafted by dolphins
RB: Miller or Thomas-- Drafted by dolphins (yeah I know Bush will probably be the starter)
WR: Hartline------------ Drafted by dolphins
WR: Bess---------------- Undrafted free agent, straight from college to miami
TE: Clay and Egnew--- Drafted by dolphins
LT: Long ---------------- Drafted by dolphins
LG: Incognito----------- brought in
C : Pouncey------------ Drafted by dolphins
RG: Jerry---------------- Drafted by dolphins
RT: Martin-------------- Drafted by dolphins ( I really don't think he is ready to start, but it could happen)

Now before I go on I will admit that Bush is probably the starter and RT may not be under center, Fasino will probably start as well but what you are starting to see a team built around it's draft picks. I know Bess was not actually a draft pick but was still a player the front office brought in rather than bringing in from another team. I can't remember a dolphin team with so many players that are OUR players rather than players we brought in from elsewhere.

Defense:
SS: Jones-----------Drafted by dolphins
FS: Clemons--------Drafted by dolphins
CB: Davis-----------Drafted by dolphins
CB: Smith-----------Drafted by dolphins
LB: Burnett---------brought in
LB: Dansby---------brought in
LB: Misi-------------Drafted by dolphins
DE: Odrick---------Drafted by dolphins
DE: Wake----------was drafted by another team, but was found by FO from Canada. Counting him as UDFA
DT: Soliai----------Drafted by dolphins
DT: Starks---------brought in

So really we only have three on defense and any where from 1 - 3 on offense that are not true dolphins. I don't know what the league average is for this but that has to be close to the top of the league for players who are original draft picks. Some of you stat guys can go out and do the numbers if you like but Ireland is getting keepers, even though I have to admit I might have been wrong about him. Maybe he isn't the bum I thought.[/QUot]

I've seen this since last year, and I've love the fact that most of the starters on this team are phin draftees or udfa signees... I've alway given credit to our draft of the last 4 years for this and we let langford go, another draftee and YB....but his replacement is probably another draftee..pretty good..for a team who use to have FA's and sprinkled with draftees.
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Hold on. You mean to tell me that most of the players on our team were drafted by us?
 
MP-Omnis said:
Hold on. You mean to tell me that most of the players on our team were drafted by us?
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I understand your sarcasm but it has been awhile since we could say that. Most of the players we were drafting were off the team in a few season there for awhile. Either they blossomed under the leadership of a different team or were out of the league. Finally we are getting starting quaility players and keeping them. I wish we could have kept Langford but I guess he had to go. The way to stay out of cap trouble is to draft and resign your own players. They are a lot cheaper than Free Agents.
 
phintim said:
The biggest hole is the offensive line and probably the best player drafted to start from the get go is Martin the OT from Stanford. My next bet would be the TE from Missouri at least as a role player because after Fansano we really have very littile at the TE position. Clay IMO will fill in as a FB. Really the rest of the draft is more role players, I see the DE from Miami really just coming in on 3rd down packages along with OLB from Oregon as both guys were picked as much for their pass rush as anything else. Miller still has a bad shoulder to rehab and has Bush in front of him so we might see him on kickoffs and spinkled in a little bit here and there. The DT from Texas looks pretty good but we have lots of talent in front of him so he sill provide depth. The reall opportunity to shine for a rookie on this team will be at WR. I am putting my money on Jeff Fuller. The kid has something to prove and was a first or second round pick if he had come out last year. From the reports I have seen if they are true is that he played with a bad hamsting, concussion as well as a bad foot last year which drug down his production. If he can overcome those injuries then he has a good chance. Still many times when athlete get injured like that especially the concussion they do not always bounce back. If he does not come through then the WR from Nevada our last pick I have my eye on. Really the WR comes down to this IMO Bess, Hartline, Gates, then Moore,Wallace and Pruitt will fight it out for one position, then one of the four rookie WR's will make it with at least 2 to the practice squad and the 6 spot will probably go to the FA WR we picked up at least for the beginning of the year unless one of the rookies out plays him which is possible. Gates is kind of the wild card in all this we need production and he may need more time. Right now my money is on Bess, Hartline, Moore, Fuller, Naanee and Gates with Mathews the next guy up on PT and possibly Derek Moye from Penn St as that last guy on the PT.
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Of all the draft picks we made this year the one that I liked the least was Martin. He had some games where he was just horrible. The Ok st game he looked totally lost out there. He was doubling down on players that didn't need it and letting his man go, getting beat regularly and playing off balance the entire game. He looked drunk or on drugs. A case could be made that he was the worst OLman on either team. Every game tape I watched of him his weakness shows up. He has pretty good feet but plays with horrible balance and is easily thrown around. In my opinion he doesn't see the field at all his rookie year. From what I have saw of him we would be better off with what we had last year. He is very raw and has a real chance to be a total bust. But then again the dolphins haven't had much success lately with 2nd rounders.
 
So, now the measure of a good players is because they start for a 6-10 team that started 0-7...standards are low around here.

Look, Ireland has been doing this here for 5 years. After that, shouldn't most the team have been drafted or brought in by him by now?

So, now...instead of saying, "Look what he had to start with"...we can see what he has made the team. Color me "not impressed..."
 
Dr. Phin said:
So, now the measure of a good players is because they start for a 6-10 team that started 0-7...standards are low around here.

Look, Ireland has been doing this here for 5 years. After that, shouldn't most the team have been drafted or brought in by him by now?

So, now...instead of saying, "Look what he had to start with"...we can see what he has made the team. Color me "not impressed..."
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As has been discussed many times around here, only the last two drafts were really Irelands. And I think you can clearly see a difference in the last two drafts. I for one am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. I am starting to like the directiion of the talent that is being brought in. I am NOT going to say I like EVERY pick but I do like the overall body of work. ( I personally think Jonathan Martin is a bust waiting to happen)
 
Philbin has said that we will not use a FB so C Clay will be a TE.

As far as Ireland is concerned, I EXPECT a GM to bring in a certain amount of players. One way to look at this is that considering that this team is not that good, of course a fair amount of the players drafted are starters. The question might be more of how many would be starters on better teams?

I think that I or a number of fans here could of drafted as well to be honest.

I would hope that Jake Long, being the first player taken in the draft would start. Others are starting because we do not have anyone better such as Clemons and Jone and even Pouncey. Bess is a great example that we missed on a number of WRs. We had to trade for our starting MLB, TE, RB etc

We will look again in a couple of seasons.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
As has been discussed many times around here, only the last two drafts were really Irelands. And I think you can clearly see a difference in the last two drafts. I for one am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. I am starting to like the directiion of the talent that is being brought in. I am NOT going to say I like EVERY pick but I do like the overall body of work. ( I personally think Jonathan Martin is a bust waiting to happen)
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Seriously where is all this coming from? KT even saying Martin is not ready to start. Sounds a lot like the crap people were saying about Pouncey not being able to start right away or be able to play center. Martin is going to be a day one starter, done and done. He is a 1st round talent that we got a complete steal on.
 
datruth55 said:
Aren't the players we draft straight from college to Miami?
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Uh right. Thats my point, drafted players and UDFAs who come straight out of college to the fins are all players that OUR GM picked rather than some other GM picking them and us trading for them or picking them up after they play for someone else. What I was saying (rather poorly obviously) was, that I was lumping our draft picks and UDFAs that we picked up straight out of college in the same group, as opposed to players we pick up from other teams, or through free agency. Still not sure I am explaining it good enough but maybe now you can see what I am saying.
 
SCOTTY said:
Seriously where is all this coming from? KT even saying Martin is not ready to start. Sounds a lot like the crap people were saying about Pouncey not being able to start right away or be able to play center. Martin is going to be a day one starter, done and done. He is a 1st round talent that we got a complete steal on.
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I sure hope you are right. I am not a scout, I can only see what my eyes tell me. I was one of those idiots that said that Cam Newton wouldn't see the field until his 2nd or 3rd year. I was wrong, but what I see with Martin makes me wonder what I am missing. I see nothing in his game that would make me give him a 1st grade, I mean NOTHING. Yet I know there are those around that know much more than I, who DO give him high marks. But do me a favor. Go over to youtube if you don't have access to game tape, and watch the whole Okst/Standford game. And don't take your eyes off Martin. Now part of the time he plays the right in that game in wildcat and a few other unbalanced line formations but it isn't hard to follow him. In that game he makes Colombo look like an ALLSTAR. Now for comparisons go look at a few of Jake Long's college tape. Notice how under control Jake always seems to be, how balanced and powerful he was even then. Now I know what you are going to say, Jake was the #1 oveall pick and in a different class than Martin, but at least you will have a measuring stick. Martin is pushed around by every DE that gets their hands on him. He has great quick feet and can get in the way of the defender but once he is there he is easily pushed back into the QB or into the running lane. His feet can get him to where he wants to go but he is one shoulder slap away from being completely off balance. He plays to far ahead of his feet, always leaning too far forward. Any double moves makes him have to reset his feet to regain his balance. All I hear from Ireland and Philbin is how he has this great punch. I just simply don't see it. He does have good timing but not enough strength for it to make a difference. His punch is never enough to redirect or slow down a pass rusher. But again I will gladly admit I don't get paid to know what I am seeing. But to the untrained eye I see a very athletic, very weak player that plays off balance. His feet are not enough to overcome his lack of strength, IMO. He also misses too many assignments as well, but that is another story.

Go watch the tape, and come back and tell me I'm wrong and why. I hope I am wrong, I truely do. I would love for him to be a solid upgrade, day one starter. But I really don't think I am. He needs a year of roids to see the field in my opinion. Lets hope he proves me wrong like Newton did last year.

Wait til the pads go on and he gets matched up vs Odrick, you will see Martin get tossed around like a styrofoam cup.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
As has been discussed many times around here, only the last two drafts were really Irelands. And I think you can clearly see a difference in the last two drafts. I for one am willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. I am starting to like the directiion of the talent that is being brought in. I am NOT going to say I like EVERY pick but I do like the overall body of work. ( I personally think Jonathan Martin is a bust waiting to happen)
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Well then, list being discussed should reflect that. Basically, what I see is when a player is good...it was Ireland...when he bad....that was Parcells. Or do we get to not give Ireland credit for Wake or Bess
 
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