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How many wins/losses for Shannon to stay/go?

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Pretty dismal season for the Canes.

(Forgivable) Losses to Florida, Florida State, and GA Tech.

(Inexcusable) Losses HOME to N.C. State & North Carolina.

Only 1 score wins vs. VA Tech, Virginia, Wake Forest, Duke, & UCF.

So what does this mean for Shannon? I say give him one year, but there's not doubt his seat will be really hot next year. I say if he can improve on this year and only lose 4 games in the regular season, he will remain. Another season like this one, and its iffy.

If we don't make a bowl next year I think he's a goner.

I think what's fair is to give him another 2 years to prove himself. As a fan, I say there are way too many proven coaches out there and they're gonna all be picked up by big-time programs if we don't move soon.

So, what does Randy need next year to secure his job? How about how many losses will surely mean the end of the Shannon era?
 
He's going to have to win the ACC title game next year to save his ***.

Unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen, especially when you look at our schedule next season.

@VT, @FSU, @USF, @UNC, @Wake, vs. OU, vs. Clem, vs. GT

It's going to be a rough year next year.
 
He's going to have to win the ACC title game next year to save his ***.

Unfortunately, I don't think that'll happen, especially when you look at our schedule next season.

@VT, @FSU, @USF, @UNC, @Wake, vs. OU, vs. Clem, vs. GT

It's going to be a rough year next year.

Next year's schedule is absolutely brutal. Tough, tough road games. However, I don't think he has to win the ACC title to save his job. Randy Shannon IS Miami and he will get at the very least four years to prove that he is the right guy for the job. Kirby Hocutt and Donna Shalala will give Randy to opportunity to see at least one of his recruiting classes thru their Senior year. Shannon has proven that he can recruit just as good—if not better than some of the top recruiters in the country. The 2009 and 2010 classes are already shaping up to be one of the five best in the country. If Shannon can somehow land Rueben Randle and Sheldon Richardson in the off-season, it may very well be the greatest recruiting class in the history of college football.

After a disappointing 7 - 5 season including losing their final two on the road and allowing almost 1,000 yards of total offense, Shannon has some difficult decisions to mke. His first order of business is to decide the fate of offensive coordinator, Patrick Nix. Patrick Nix is in the final year of his contract and I just can't see Kirby giving Nix a three-year or so extension with the production he has gotten. Very, very questionable play calling as well. There's no doubt about it. I can tell you right now that the fans, boosters, and Alumni are in the ear of Kirby Hocutt 24 hours a day wanting this guy out of here.

The defense is a solid building point, in my opinion. Randy Shannon hit it out of the park when he hired Bill Young as his defensive coordinator. The problem with the defense is that this is a very young team right now and they've struggled to learn the complex scheme of Bill Young's defense. The defensive side of the ball is fundamentally flawed in the basics of football. Tackling must improve, execution must improve, and kids cannot blow assignments the way they did against Florida State, Georgia Tech, and North Carolina State. We were cut open by the run.

The defensive backs have largely for the most part been garbage. Here is another major decision Shannon faces: Does he bring back defensive backs coach, Wesley McGriff? In defense of McGriff, the defensive backs he has had to work with are kids left over from the Coker era. These are kids who were either poorly evaluated, or they did not develop for the college game due to poor coaching. Either way, McGriff has to do a better job of coaching up the true Freshman Brandon Harris and he has to do a stellar job of coaching up incoming Freshman, Brandon McGee.

A lot of people fail to realize and understand that this team is full of redshirt Freshman, and true Freshman straight out of high school. You couple that with this fact that this is only Shannon's second season as a head coach so he is young in that aspect as well. It's a learning experience for everyone in this program. It's going to take time to rebuild the mess leftover from Larry Coker. There was no depth. Last year was a wash because of that and you're essentially starting from scratch this season. People are relying on 18 and 19 year-old kids to dominate college football and be world beaters. It's not going to happen over night. Patience is a virtue. If Larry Coker can get six years—why can't Shannon get eight? Coker won a national title with Buth Davis's team. Those were butches kids and that 2001 Hurricane team was largely coached by Ken Dorsey on offense and DJ Williams on defense.

All I know is that Randy Shannon is a guy that I believe in. I always have. This team is on the right track under his guidence. It is moving in the right direction. It's only a matter of time. But as Hurricane fans, we're so used to winning and dominanating the college football landscape that it's tough for us to become accustomed to patience when it used to come so easy.
 
Good analysis.

I really didn't like the Shannon hire, but I'll let him go through his contract.
 
I mean like I have always said . . . college football Head Coaching IMO is tougher than the NFL . . . because of the recruiting. And Shannon I think is proving that he is a top 5 recruiter in the country . . . hell top 3 . . . he has South FL in his back pocket . . . what an advantage.

Yea its frustrating to see the Canes not competing for the NC . . . but make no mistake about it Coker literally RAN this team into the ground . . . he was horrid. This team is extremely young . . . and it showed up the last 2 games . . . especially on D . . . but I still think 2010 is the year where we are going to be real good.

U gotta give Randy atleast until then . . . if this team is 7-5 in 2010 (which I would be shocked because of the talent level on this team) . . . then its whatever . . . u really gotta look at coaching at that point.

My concern is the OLine, I haven't really seen the big name prospects being recruited like I hoped . . . do we have any big signing comming in . . . because until we get some elite prospects on that line . . . we are going to have problems on offense.
 
While we may be getting some studs at the skill positions...they really can't do much without an O-line in front of them.

We haven't had a decent O-line since 2003.
 
Canes fans need to have patience with Randy. This man will have the Canes dominating the college football landscape if he keeps bringing in the type of recruiting classes he has.
 
I mean like I have always said . . . college football Head Coaching IMO is tougher than the NFL . . . because of the recruiting. And Shannon I think is proving that he is a top 5 recruiter in the country . . . hell top 3 . . . he has South FL in his back pocket . . . what an advantage.

Yea its frustrating to see the Canes not competing for the NC . . . but make no mistake about it Coker literally RAN this team into the ground . . . he was horrid. This team is extremely young . . . and it showed up the last 2 games . . . especially on D . . . but I still think 2010 is the year where we are going to be real good.

U gotta give Randy atleast until then . . . if this team is 7-5 in 2010 (which I would be shocked because of the talent level on this team) . . . then its whatever . . . u really gotta look at coaching at that point.

My concern is the OLine, I haven't really seen the big name prospects being recruited like I hoped . . . do we have any big signing comming in . . . because until we get some elite prospects on that line . . . we are going to have problems on offense.

As far as the offensive line is concerned, we have four-star commit Brandon Washington coming in. That's our big name as of now. There's also former Rutgers commit Malcolm Bunche who looks to be headed to Coral Gables. It's only a matter of time if you ask me. These are two guys that can step in and contribute immediately. Good thing, too, because they're going to have to.

Because of the lack of depth at this position, I fully expect Shannon to look to the JUCO ranks and make at least six offers to JUCO lineman. The center position is a real pressing need. Xavier Shannon has been an absolute blessing this season and it's a damn shame that we only have him for one season.

We are also still in the "Xavier Nixon Sweepstakes." Nixon is a four-star offensive tackle but borders the five-star range. He's 6'6 263lbs. He's only made one official visit this season and that was early September to Florida. He was actually in the stands for the Miami - Florida game. He has only scheduled on other visit that I'm aware of and that was to LSU and that visit was cancelled. However, he has taken unofficial visits to LSU and North Carolina. His high school coach says that if he had to take a stab at Nixon's final list of potential possibilities, he would say LSU, Florida, North Carolina, and Miami. The Gators are hard after this kid. I hope we step it up.
 
Yada...yada...yada...

Nobody cares where Miami's recruiting classes are ranked....especially their opponents...

You can't just come in to college football with 5 stars beside your name on a piece of paper and roll out your helmet with a "U" on the side of it and think you're automatically a winner....that's part of the problem if you ask me...

Notre Dame always has a "top 20" recruiting class according to some publication...

How many "top 10" recruiting classes has TCU had? Utah? Boise St.? Georgia Tech?

If you can't coach the kids up...IT DOESN'T MATTER...

Shannon's recruiting classes will only reflect success on the field if he hires some capable assistants that can keep junior and senior QB's from looking like freshman.....and freshman QB's from looking like they couldn't start for the local 5-A high school down the road from my home...literally...

The point about offensive lineman is well taken...Miami and FSU have suffered from the same thing the past 5 or 6 years...they've lacked talent along the offensive line....but have had a handful of lanky, fast, underdeveloped, "highly recruited" skill position players running down the field that couldn't catch a cold at the North Pole...and quarterbacks that might make 3rd string at USC, Oklahoma, Texas,....BOISE STATE!!!

I don't see the upside at Miami until they get a legitimate head coach that can actually outcoach the opposing coach...

Until then...all Miami's 5 stars will continue to get run over by Georgia Tech's 3 stars and Randy Shannon will continue to be outcoached by Butch Davis and O' Brien...
 
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