How Miami made 4 players into 8 players and 3 draft picks....
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This is a good article but we also turned 1 player into three draft picks last year...
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yeah but to be fair, how many of those guys are long term guys for this franchise? Maybe stills and that's about it.
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I'd trade back a couple those to get Vernon back to be honest. That was our young, and complete DE, and we weren't proactive enough in extended him.
Hopefully at some point Carroo comes on and shows us it was deserved for the team to give up the picks they did to draft him.
you mean....turned 3 draft picks into 1 player?
I was a fan of not holding on to good-not-great talent at a premium price just because it's "yours" or "homegrown." On that same token, on paper I wouldn't support giving Stills and Branch the amount they got EXCEPT for two facts: (1) Supposedly they bring some major intangibles, something that was never evident with Miller, Vernon, Matthews, and Shelby, and (2) Unlike the aforementioned 4, they were a big part of a winning record and playoff berth.
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I hate to say this, but I do not miss Olivier Vernon. I honestly believe he is overrated here after the fact.
Good football player? Yes. However, was he prone to stupid personal fouls that cost the team in critical spots? Yes. Were a lot of his sacks the type that we call "hustle" sacks, or coverage sacks, or "Cam Wake flushed the quarterback right into my arms" sacks? Yes.
So, while we all agree that OV is a quality football player, I personally do not feel as if we're missing out bigtime on something special by not having him on the team anymore. I actually think that Rishard Matthews might have been the biggest loss, simply because he was the best performer of all those we let go (Ryan Tannehill's passer rating throwing to Matthews in 2015 was over 120(!), and the sample size was NOT small) and he left on a modest contract.
Good football player? Yes. However, was he prone to stupid personal fouls that cost the team in critical spots? Yes. Were a lot of his sacks the type that we call "hustle" sacks, or coverage sacks, or "Cam Wake flushed the quarterback right into my arms" sacks? Yes.
So, while we all agree that OV is a quality football player, I personally do not feel as if we're missing out bigtime on something special by not having him on the team anymore. I actually think that Rishard Matthews might have been the biggest loss, simply because he was the best performer of all those we let go (Ryan Tannehill's passer rating throwing to Matthews in 2015 was over 120(!), and the sample size was NOT small) and he left on a modest contract.
Some serious fluff in that article.
Address Vernon's contract before he hits FA and we wouldn't have paid nearly the amount the Giants dolled out.
Sign Matthews and we don't have to waste 3 draft picks on 3 receptions.
Branch is nowhere near the value of his contract.
Still don't have any starting guards on the team and we have our fingers crossed that we have a semi-healthy center that can play 10+ games.
Juilius Thomas has a better chance of being this year's Mario Williams and that's if he can even get on the field for half the season.
Nate Allen is a sad patch at FS.
Address Vernon's contract before he hits FA and we wouldn't have paid nearly the amount the Giants dolled out.
Sign Matthews and we don't have to waste 3 draft picks on 3 receptions.
Branch is nowhere near the value of his contract.
Still don't have any starting guards on the team and we have our fingers crossed that we have a semi-healthy center that can play 10+ games.
Juilius Thomas has a better chance of being this year's Mario Williams and that's if he can even get on the field for half the season.
Nate Allen is a sad patch at FS.
Agree on almost everything you said. I have high hopes for Thomas to have a good/great year/years for us. But other than that you're on to something
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I like what we did at tight end. Of course, I also liked the idea of bringing in Jordan Cameron.
Nonetheless, I think that Gase knows Thomas well enough for this trade to get some benefit of the doubt, and I still like Fasano regardless of what anyone says. He played well for the Titans in 2016 and I think Dion Sims is overrated, especially in the blocking department.
Nonetheless, I think that Gase knows Thomas well enough for this trade to get some benefit of the doubt, and I still like Fasano regardless of what anyone says. He played well for the Titans in 2016 and I think Dion Sims is overrated, especially in the blocking department.
What is also worth mentioning is that we used 4 additional draft picks in Caroo and Starks to fill the holes created by letting Mathews and Miller walk 2 proven veterans for 2 rookies who hardly saw the field. Plus we signed Mario Williams a bust to replace Vernon along with Chris Jones and Branch replace Shelby and or Vernon. So lets do some reverse math we let 4 proven players walk, replaced them with 4 draft picks, 3 free agent veterans of which only 1 Branch is considered to be in the starting lineup. Plus should I add our run defense was basically dead last, last year. Mark me impressed with this move.
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As the biggest Rishard Matthews fan here, and someone who definitely wasn't a fan of trading away multiple picks for Carroo, I would just add:
Rishard Matthews didn't want to come back. He wanted to go start somewhere. So when we consider that losing him was a blow, let's also consider that the reason we lost him... was JOE PHILBIN.
We never had a chance to retain the guy thanks to Lil Queasy's doghouse.
Rishard Matthews didn't want to come back. He wanted to go start somewhere. So when we consider that losing him was a blow, let's also consider that the reason we lost him... was JOE PHILBIN.
We never had a chance to retain the guy thanks to Lil Queasy's doghouse.
Someone better tell Mercury his neighborhood is about to get crowded.
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While we know the players we have playing, and understand their worth to the team, we often do not know the players who are on the bench or are on teams that we do not watch. That's why sometimes we cannot fully assess a player's relative value as well as some of these personnel people. I've been a big advocate of Jay Ajayi since before he arrived ... but I didn't see his every practice. Some of my firm belief in him was a projection. Dan Campbell saw him every day in practice and elevated him as soon as Dan took over. So, some in the Dolphins building knew that we had a solution that didn't require big free agency money.
I am a fan of signing your good players early (like Landry right now!) to avoid the huge free agency numbers. When we didn't do that with Vernon, it quickly became clear he would not be an affordable re-sign. I feel that this decision wasn't made when he hit the market, but rather the offseason before, when he could have been had for a much more reasonable number. So, the victory celebrated in this article, which is primarily built on the back of the Giant's contract to Olivier Vernon, is not a fair comparison. The benchmark number could have been below $30M if we had made a serious push to resign Vernon a year earlier. Not that I am criticizing our acquisitions mind you ... just that I'm saying if we are going to praise our foresight, let's talk about the elephant in the room--not extending our talented players early.
We can certainly quibble with the numbers, like paying Andre Branch more than Jabaal Sheard got, or fixing our LB position by guaranteeing $11M over two years for an old LB who ranked near the bottom in the PFF LB rankings last year (like Spencer Paysinger range), but most of these deals were good deals, IMHO. I liked The Stills and Fasano deals in particular. While I dislike having clowns/dumb players like Hayes, it is clear we made a great deal as he is a dominant run stuffer and had almost as many sacks as Branch with a similarly awesome defensive line (Quincy and Donald are dominators). So, I guess I can take a little mermaid silliness and dinosaur denial.
No doubt about it, we did well getting this group of guys. Now we need to learn the lesson of how to extend our top players before they hit free agency. Let's build on the Reshad Jones extension and get something done with Jarvis Landry sooner rather than later.
I am a fan of signing your good players early (like Landry right now!) to avoid the huge free agency numbers. When we didn't do that with Vernon, it quickly became clear he would not be an affordable re-sign. I feel that this decision wasn't made when he hit the market, but rather the offseason before, when he could have been had for a much more reasonable number. So, the victory celebrated in this article, which is primarily built on the back of the Giant's contract to Olivier Vernon, is not a fair comparison. The benchmark number could have been below $30M if we had made a serious push to resign Vernon a year earlier. Not that I am criticizing our acquisitions mind you ... just that I'm saying if we are going to praise our foresight, let's talk about the elephant in the room--not extending our talented players early.
We can certainly quibble with the numbers, like paying Andre Branch more than Jabaal Sheard got, or fixing our LB position by guaranteeing $11M over two years for an old LB who ranked near the bottom in the PFF LB rankings last year (like Spencer Paysinger range), but most of these deals were good deals, IMHO. I liked The Stills and Fasano deals in particular. While I dislike having clowns/dumb players like Hayes, it is clear we made a great deal as he is a dominant run stuffer and had almost as many sacks as Branch with a similarly awesome defensive line (Quincy and Donald are dominators). So, I guess I can take a little mermaid silliness and dinosaur denial.
No doubt about it, we did well getting this group of guys. Now we need to learn the lesson of how to extend our top players before they hit free agency. Let's build on the Reshad Jones extension and get something done with Jarvis Landry sooner rather than later.