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How much of an advantage does filming signals give?

Stringer Bell

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IMO, its a very small advantage. The signals are there for everyone see. Instead of writing down what they mean during the game, they just wait until later in the week and watch the tape.

Really provides an extremely small advantage, if any. Just my opinion though.
 
It's a smear campaign to diminish the accomplishments of a great team, because the team is very unlikable, and the coach is a complete jackass.
 
It's a smear campaign to diminish the accomplishments of a great team, because the team is very unlikable, and the coach is a complete jackass.

There were many teams that were so successful that they created animosity and jealousy against their success.

None of the others had any such charges levied against them or anyone trying to "smear campaign" them.

It's becoming abundantly clear based on the NFL destroying evidence and with a cameraman admitting to taping sessions for them and having tapes as proof that the Pats did in fact engage in activities that justify the storm surrounding them.

If you're going to break the rules you better be prepared to pay the price when caught. They'll try and wiggle out of it but hopefully in the end some type of sanctioning will be levied against them and it will be well deserved.
 
There were many teams that were so successful that they created animosity and jealousy against their success.

None of the others had any such charges levied against them or anyone trying to "smear campaign" them.

It's becoming abundantly clear based on the NFL destroying evidence and with a cameraman admitting to taping sessions for them and having tapes as proof that the Pats did in fact engage in activities that justify the storm surrounding them.

If you're going to break the rules you better be prepared to pay the price when caught. They'll try and wiggle out of it but hopefully in the end some type of sanctioning will be levied against them and it will be well deserved.

Now that i agree with.

The NFL destroying the tapes, to me seems extremely shady. I dont know what was on those tapes, and nobody ever will, but it's quite apparent that it's more than just some simple stealing of signals.

The way the NFL has dealt with this has fueled this scandal.
 
There were many teams that were so successful that they created animosity and jealousy against their success.

None of the others had any such charges levied against them or anyone trying to "smear campaign" them.

It's becoming abundantly clear based on the NFL destroying evidence and with a cameraman admitting to taping sessions for them and having tapes as proof that the Pats did in fact engage in activities that justify the storm surrounding them.

If you're going to break the rules you better be prepared to pay the price when caught. They'll try and wiggle out of it but hopefully in the end some type of sanctioning will be levied against them and it will be well deserved.
IMO it seems this whole thing has escalated greatly from merely taping signals. Seems to me the patsies were doing other stuff with their cameras they should not have been.
 
IMO, its a very small advantage. The signals are there for everyone see. Instead of writing down what they mean during the game, they just wait until later in the week and watch the tape.

Really provides an extremely small advantage, if any. Just my opinion though.

I agree. Writing them down, video taping them or polorids you still have 3 guys sending signals 2 or which are bogus signals plus to be of any help you'd have had to be able to communicate the signals into the QB which from what I've heard would be hard to do with only a 15 sec communication window to send in the offensive play.
 
IMO, its a very small advantage. The signals are there for everyone see. Instead of writing down what they mean during the game, they just wait until later in the week and watch the tape.

Really provides an extremely small advantage, if any. Just my opinion though.

A field goal is a small margin of victory in a tight game where any given play could determine the outcome.

The type of leverage that could be gained by knowing what is comming may not be great, but I would have to believe it would only be employed durring choice moments in a game to gain that one stop or turnover that would change the flow of the game, or seal a victory.

This "Ace in the Hole" would not be pulled from Belichicks sleave unless it was needed. Card sharks don't risk tipping their hands.

With a game already in the books by half time, or sitting on a comfortable lead and running out the clock in the 4th qtr. on an average team, there would be no need to resort to the tactic. However, its safe to say you could bet the farm the opposing teams signals were being taped all the same, just in case the two teams met in the playoffs were Brady and the boys might find themselves down a score or two with 8 mins. left the 3rd. qtr.

That would be the time for Bill to exhibit his genious defensive mind and shut down the opposition.
 
I agree. Writing them down, video taping them or polorids you still have 3 guys sending signals 2 or which are bogus signals plus to be of any help you'd have had to be able to communicate the signals into the QB which from what I've heard would be hard to do with only a 15 sec communication window to send in the offensive play.

The non-advantage of film equal to writting down what's observed or polaroids?

Watch some girl walk across the street and write down everything significant you observe about her, then recall who within 20 yards of that person is wearing a hat.

You might get that on a polaroid, but if three guys tipped their hats at the same time, who was the lady looking at. Blow up the picture to get a better look at her eyes and the hat tippers disappear.

Now film the 10 second action, scan the street corner back and forth, do this a dozen times with the same hat tippers and lady. If she looks at tipper one she smiles ignoring the rest, tipper two she frowns and cluthches her bag, tipper three she hails a cab.

Hey, how does she know which hat tipper to take her que from to begin with, do the others give that away some how? Is there a fourth person sending a signal?

Check out the body language of the people on the corner, those in authority, sitting on the bench, the people crossing the street with the lady, where do they position themselves depending on whether she smiles or frowns.

Go over it slowly, forward / reverse.

Compare it with a dozen other tapes you have of the same lady, hat tippers and set of characters you've taped when they have gone through the same motions on different corners in the city. What predicatable patterns do you see emerge?

Likely a hell of a lot more than you would if you wrote it down or snapped polaroids of the action.

Does this analogy seem too ridiculous....I don't think so.

A skilled interpreter may not be able to hit the nail on the head 100% of the time, but he would be close.
 
from what i understand, the patriots provided goodell not only with evidence of their cheating, but also video evidence of other teams cheating. which is why the tapes were destroyed, so this doesnt become an entire NFL scandal
 
from what i understand, the patriots provided goodell not only with evidence of their cheating, but also video evidence of other teams cheating. which is why the tapes were destroyed, so this doesnt become an entire NFL scandal
how could the pats possibly have evidence of other teams cheating?
 
It give you a HUGE advantage if you know what the Defense is going to be running
 
from what i understand, the patriots provided goodell not only with evidence of their cheating, but also video evidence of other teams cheating. which is why the tapes were destroyed, so this doesnt become an entire NFL scandal

How could they nobody else ever in the history of the NFL has ever cheated.

:lol:
 
It give you a HUGE advantage if you know what the Defense is going to be running

If i am not mistaken
1)The signals are changed frequently
2)Which of the 3 coordinaters are the correct one for defensive signals is even changed every quater.
3)Even if identified the qb/coach is cut off 15 sec before snap.but most defenses do make break huddle 15-20 sec before the clock expires so how much data can be processed in 2-3 sec with any reability is tough.

But this can be done after week 9 win over colts rodney was on radio and said after 3 completion to wayne they figured out that the colts were readying their signals so they call the same one and he ran to the spot where wayne had those completions and made the interception.But no video was used.
 
How could they nobody else ever in the history of the NFL has ever cheated.

:lol:

Everybody does it, right, so it's okay? Keep telling yourselves that. And on the original point, I love the Pats* fans' story that "Goodell did this to save the League, since the Pats* records showed other folks cheating, too." Hogwash--what's a lot more likely to anyone with half a brain is that Goodell destroyed the tapes and materials because they showed the Pats* doing worse than just the defensive signal stealing. That makes a whole lot more sense than "they had evidence of other teams cheating, too." Pray tell, how the heck would the Pats* have evidence of other teams videotaping the Pats and if so, why keep it? That just seems absurd.....
 
If the girl next door comes over and gets undressed it's legal. If you stare at her through binoculars in her bedroom it's illegal.

The end result doesn't matter, how you do it makes it either against the rules or not. Everyone needs to play by the same rules or else you do end up with an unfair advantage in a league where one play can mean any given game.
 
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