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How Stafford/Goff Trade will impact Dolphins

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Basically says that the deal was about getting Goff’s massive salary off of the rams books as much as anything and that the benefit the Rams got in getting a QB that they liked better than Goff was also about getting his massive contract off of the books and that the Lions now paying Goff as much as they are going to pay him don’t have the incentive to trade up with the Dolphins now to draft yet another QB. Not to say that they won’t take another QB at some point, they just will give Goff a shot at the starting job because of how much he is costing them now.

The article also suggests that the contract and the Cap room or cap hit were as much part of the value to the Rams as was the player and that the price of the 2 first round picks was extra incentive for the Lions to take Goff and his contract as they add more draft capital in their rebuild project and that that should be considered when evaluating what someone like Deshaun Watson would be worth. In other words, the price wasn’t just for Stafford, but also for the cap and contract relief which wouldn’t necessarily be part of the calculus in a different trade. Not to Say that the price for Watson wouldn’t be even higher than that for Stafford, but just to say that the price paid for Stafford was also factoring in the contract and cap room.
 
If Fitz retires can we somehow get Goff as a backup? I doubt he's going to be a franchise starter
 
VanzGinkel said:
If Fitz retires can we somehow get Goff as a backup? I doubt he's going to be a franchise starter
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Goff is still an average starter at QB, no way is he going to accept a backup role at this point. Also he is owed a lot of money, why would he volunteer to take a pay cut to be our backup?
 
So, I want to make sure I understand this, please don't impale me if I am not getting it.
Goff has a monster contract. In order to trade him and his monster contract, the Rams had to give the Lions 2 first rounders and a 3rd rounder in order for the Lions to take the player and the contract.
Shifting to Houston:
D Watson has a massive contract. But I keep seeing the price for Watson starts at 3 first rounders.
I get that Watson is one of the best in the game. But, considering the size of his contract (isn't it like 40 million per for the next 4yrs?) how can anyone in their right mind give up three first rounders, plus absorb that contract?
What happened between LA and Detroit seems to fly in the face of the logic of the demand in return for Watson, the only mitigating factor being Watson's talent level. BUT economics MUST come into play, right?
So where is the middle road??
 
I don't know why people think trading Goff saves the Rams a ton of money. Unless Stafford restructures, it's actually more expensive to trade Goff, take the dead money hit, and pay Stafford, then it would be to keep Goff. And even if Stafford restructures, the Rams wouldn't be saving all that much. I'm not sure how to properly cite an article, so forgive me if this is plagiarism or a violation of the rules, but:

Here’s the breakdown of Goff’s impact on the Rams’ salary cap, according to Over The Cap.
  • 2021 dead money: $22.2 million
  • 2021 cap savings: $12.75 million
So essentially, instead of paying Goff $34.75 million in 2021 to be on the team, he’ll cost the Rams $22.2 million. It’s bad business to pay a player that much to be on another team, but Les Snead knew exactly what he was doing, just like with Brandin Cooks and Todd Gurley.

As for Stafford, he has two years left on his contract. His cap hits the next two seasons are as follows:
  • 2021: $20 million cap hit
  • 2022: $23 million cap hit
So if the Rams keep Stafford’s contract as-is, they will be paying $42.2 million for Stafford’s contract and Goff’s dead cap in 2021, which is more than the $34.75 million Goff would’ve cost them if he was kept on the team.

But, as Jason Fitzgerald of OTC points out, the Rams can restructure Stafford’s contract once the trade is complete to lower his cap hit from $20 million to $4.86 million to save them $15.14 million.

That would make Stafford’s cap hit $26.8 million in 2022, so it wouldn’t hinder them much in the final year of his contract. Given their situation with the cap dropping in 2021, this is an obvious move to push money out toward 2022.

So as difficult as it seemed Goff’s contract would be to trade, the Rams could come out actually saving money by swapping quarterbacks – at the cost of losing two first-round picks, of course.

This trade looks terrible on paper for the Rams.
 
bdizzle00 said:
I don't know why people think trading Goff saves the Rams a ton of money. Unless Stafford restructures, it's actually more expensive to trade Goff, take the dead money hit, and pay Stafford, then it would be to keep Goff. And even if Stafford restructures, the Rams wouldn't be saving all that much. I'm not sure how to properly cite an article, so forgive me if this is plagiarism or a violation of the rules, but:

Here’s the breakdown of Goff’s impact on the Rams’ salary cap, according to Over The Cap.
  • 2021 dead money: $22.2 million
  • 2021 cap savings: $12.75 million
So essentially, instead of paying Goff $34.75 million in 2021 to be on the team, he’ll cost the Rams $22.2 million. It’s bad business to pay a player that much to be on another team, but Les Snead knew exactly what he was doing, just like with Brandin Cooks and Todd Gurley.

As for Stafford, he has two years left on his contract. His cap hits the next two seasons are as follows:
  • 2021: $20 million cap hit
  • 2022: $23 million cap hit
So if the Rams keep Stafford’s contract as-is, they will be paying $42.2 million for Stafford’s contract and Goff’s dead cap in 2021, which is more than the $34.75 million Goff would’ve cost them if he was kept on the team.

But, as Jason Fitzgerald of OTC points out, the Rams can restructure Stafford’s contract once the trade is complete to lower his cap hit from $20 million to $4.86 million to save them $15.14 million.

That would make Stafford’s cap hit $26.8 million in 2022, so it wouldn’t hinder them much in the final year of his contract. Given their situation with the cap dropping in 2021, this is an obvious move to push money out toward 2022.

So as difficult as it seemed Goff’s contract would be to trade, the Rams could come out actually saving money by swapping quarterbacks – at the cost of losing two first-round picks, of course.

This trade looks terrible on paper for the Rams.
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So the Rams are paying $8mm/yr for two years to get two 1sts?
 
It looks like they would save like $8 million in 2021 and $6 million in 2022 if they restructure Stafford. If they don't, they'd actually lose money in 2021 and save about $10 million in 2022.

They savings might come in 2023 and 2024 if the Rams aren't planning to keep Stafford beyond 2022 and they choose pay a rookie QB contract, as Goff was slated to get around $30 mil in 2023 and 2024..
 
Bopkin02 said:
So, I want to make sure I understand this, please don't impale me if I am not getting it.
Goff has a monster contract. In order to trade him and his monster contract, the Rams had to give the Lions 2 first rounders and a 3rd rounder in order for the Lions to take the player and the contract.
Shifting to Houston:
D Watson has a massive contract. But I keep seeing the price for Watson starts at 3 first rounders.
I get that Watson is one of the best in the game. But, considering the size of his contract (isn't it like 40 million per for the next 4yrs?) how can anyone in their right mind give up three first rounders, plus absorb that contract?
What happened between LA and Detroit seems to fly in the face of the logic of the demand in return for Watson, the only mitigating factor being Watson's talent level. BUT economics MUST come into play, right?
So where is the middle road??
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Ok here’s the deal on DW. His contract is not 40m/year over the next 4. Next year his cap hit is only 10.5 which is absolutely incredible to have a QB of his caliber on the books for that number for a year. However the next 3 years after that is where the cap hit would be felt. The cap hit for 2022 would be 35 2023 39 2024 33 2025 32. So yes next year you’re getting a helluva deal but the next 4 after that is where it will be felt.

However if Tua were to work out and be what we all hope by the time his new contract comes up the going rate for QBs will be OVER 40m/year. So honestly the DW contract is not near as big of a deal as people make it out to be.

On top of all that Jared Goff is not in DWs caliber of player and never will be so that’s why LA was willing to overpay for Stafford just to get Goff off the book but as another poster said above the difference between he and Staffords deals are not much different. It’s just that LA feels Stafford gives them a better chance to win a Super Bowl than Goff. Basically LA is gambling that Stafford is going to win them a Super Bowl over the next 2 years and if Stafford does that then the deal will have paid for itself.
 
Maybe it gives the Rams room to make some moves in free agency. No question, LA is a better team with Stafford and the Rams are in a win now mode.

As far as the Lions are concerned, I don't think that eliminates them from the quarterback market.
 
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