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the nicktator has a new depth chart out, and from the looks of it, his judge of talent is just a wee bit diffrent than spielstedt's. in my opinion, these are the players that may have played their last regular season game as a miami dolphin:

-derrius thompson
-wade smith
-taylor whitley
-donald lee
-lamar gordon
-travis minor
-jamar martin
-dario romero
-bredon aynebadejo
-eddie moore
-corey jenkins
-tony bua

as much as they'd like to consider cutting aj feeley, reggie howard and
our all-time favorite seth mckinney, their hands are tied for a multitude of reasons and these scrubs will remain with the team for one more season.

so the number of spielstedt casualties is likey going to be around 12, and could easily be 15 or more if we said the hell with it and went into full rebuilding mode.

but going by the depth chart and preseason performance, when the dust settles the dolphins will only have 8 players remaining (chris chambers, seth mckinney, randy mcmichael, yeremiah bell, vernon carey, will poole, rex hadnot and derrick pope) from the 35 draft picks selected in the 5 year spielstedt era. that's only 22% and i would imagine puts us somewhere near the bottom percentile of the league.

also, of our 11 first-day picks (rounds 1-3), only 3 players remain (chambers, mckinney and carey). obviously, after this season that number will drop to just 2.
the numbers don't lie....
-no players from the 2000 draft are still here (6 picks).

there will only be:
-1 (chambers) from 2001 (9 picks).
-2 (mckinney, mcmichael) from 2002 (5 picks).
-1 (bell) from 2003 (9 picks).
-4 from 2004 (it's still early lol).

from 2000 to 2003 that's 4 players remaining from 29 draft picks! unreal...

so, my fellow dolfans, this is the blueprint on how to destroy an nfl franchise.
not only does terrible talent evalutation lead to terrible drafts, but it also leads to trades for guys like aj feeley and lamar gordon, and the free agent signings of jay fiedler, ray lucas, damion mcintosh, and reggie howard.

let there be no doubt that dave wannstedt and rick spielman butchered this franchise just about as bad as it can be done.

despite this hack job masterpiece, we're all hopeful that saban can work a miracle in 2005, but you can only run from a series of bad drafts and aquisitions before it finally catches up with you. we can't afford any injuries because we have zero depth from terrible general management, and more often than not in the nfl no depth = no success.

so when you hear all the so-called "experts" picking us to finish last but saying that we will be back in 2-3 years this is why. because barring a miracle we will finish last in the afc east, but we have a legit operation now, run by proffesionals that will rebuild the franchise into a legitimate contender within 2-3 years.
 
I agree with everyone except Travis Minor and Eddie Moore. I like Minor as a player and still want to see what Moore can do before we just straight out cut him.
 
Good read though I don't completely agree. Just because guys are cut by Nick doesn't mean they don't have talent in the right system. Nicks system is a lot different than Wanny's system thus he needs different type/size players.
 
LtDan662002 said:
Good read though I don't completely agree. Just because guys are cut by Nick doesn't mean they don't have talent in the right system. Nicks system is a lot different than Wanny's system thus he needs different type/size players.

i'd agree with you if we didn't go 4-12 last year in dave's system and had he remained in charge didn't think we would go 4-12 or worse again this year. i guess the true determining factor would be to look up all of his draft picks and aquisitions in a few years to see what they did and how long they lasted in the nfl.


edit: actually you don't even have to wait for that. just look at his draft history and player aquisitions during his tenure in chicago. ouch!
 
how to detroy a franchise??

GM Rick Spielman
HC Dave Wannstedt.
 
when i read the thread title i thought wanny wrote a book or sumthin
 
The funny thing is I said this same thing when we were making these picks, or at worst one year later. Hell even Dave only kept most of the guys he picked for a year or 2. Thank god we gave up a deffinite starter, and got the interception machine in AJ Feeley. In fairness I was for the move if it wasn't a 2nd round pick. We could have gotten him for a 4th hell maybe a 5th. It reminds me of watching Freinds. They always used this joke with Joey's charicter. Someone would offer him something great, and he would say no I want something worse then realize what they said. I have a feeling it was a pretty quick phone call between Speilman and the Eagles.

"We will listen to offers for a late round pick for AJ.
No we will give you a 2nd.
Deal!
Doh!"
 
ive always maintained that a solid team is built through the draft. There is a reason that our draft this year was so good (Saban).

Ronnie is the future at RB.

Roth has the potential to be very good... worst case he offers nice pass rushing depth on the DL.

Crowder could be a really good player.

Daniels is going to start one day for this team.

Alabi could be the RT as early as next season.

Vickerson and Wright both look solid. Wright has real potential.

We've not had a draft like this for years, and that is why we went 4-12 last year. It helps considerably if you hit on players in the draft, rather than the numerous misses we've had.
 
Eddie Moore will make it. Anyone who saw him play last year knows he has ability. Because we took him ahead of Bolden in the draft does not make him a bad player. And keep in mind what conference he played in, the SEC. And Where did Nick Saban coach? The SEC. I'm sure Nick saw Moore a few times while he was there, so if Moore plays this weekend and has a good showing, he is a lock. I don't think Nick Saban cares how many players he keeps at one position, he is not going to let a good player go to keep an inferior player at another position.
 
finsnchips said:
Daniels is going to start one day for this team.

Ever get the feeling that this is going to be sooner rather than later? He seems to be playing decent for a rookie and what with the problems we have in the secondary, I wouldn't be surprised to see Daniels start at some point during the season.

It might even be on opening day.

BTW, sorry for the slightly OT post.


Cheers
 
suhawk said:
Ever get the feeling that this is going to be sooner rather than later? He seems to be playing decent for a rookie and what with the problems we have in the secondary, I wouldn't be surprised to see Daniels start at some point during the season.

It might even be on opening day.

BTW, sorry for the slightly OT post.


Cheers
i think your right... he'll be starting by the end of the season.

by the way... i love your avatar... sophie howard is soooooooo hot!! english girls are the best. :tongue:
 
thecoordinator said:
the nicktator has a new depth chart out, and from the looks of it, his judge of talent is just a wee bit diffrent than spielstedt's. in my opinion, these are the players that may have played their last regular season game as a miami dolphin:

-derrius thompson
-wade smith
-taylor whitley
-donald lee
-lamar gordon
-travis minor
-jamar martin
-dario romero
-bredon aynebadejo
-eddie moore
-corey jenkins
-tony bua

as much as they'd like to consider cutting aj feeley, reggie howard and
our all-time favorite seth mckinney, their hands are tied for a multitude of reasons and these scrubs will remain with the team for one more season.

so the number of spielstedt casualties is likey going to be around 12, and could easily be 15 or more if we said the hell with it and went into full rebuilding mode.

but going by the depth chart and preseason performance, when the dust settles the dolphins will only have 8 players remaining (chris chambers, seth mckinney, randy mcmichael, yeremiah bell, vernon carey, will poole, rex hadnot and derrick pope) from the 35 draft picks selected in the 5 year spielstedt era. that's only 22% and i would imagine puts us somewhere near the bottom percentile of the league.

also, of our 11 first-day picks (rounds 1-3), only 3 players remain (chambers, mckinney and carey). obviously, after this season that number will drop to just 2.
the numbers don't lie....
-no players from the 2000 draft are still here (6 picks).

there will only be:
-1 (chambers) from 2001 (9 picks).
-2 (mckinney, mcmichael) from 2002 (5 picks).
-1 (bell) from 2003 (9 picks).
-4 from 2004 (it's still early lol).

from 2000 to 2003 that's 4 players remaining from 29 draft picks! unreal...

so, my fellow dolfans, this is the blueprint on how to destroy an nfl franchise.
not only does terrible talent evalutation lead to terrible drafts, but it also leads to trades for guys like aj feeley and lamar gordon, and the free agent signings of jay fiedler, ray lucas, damion mcintosh, and reggie howard.

let there be no doubt that dave wannstedt and rick spielman butchered this franchise just about as bad as it can be done.

despite this hack job masterpiece, we're all hopeful that saban can work a miracle in 2005, but you can only run from a series of bad drafts and aquisitions before it finally catches up with you. we can't afford any injuries because we have zero depth from terrible general management, and more often than not in the nfl no depth = no success.

so when you hear all the so-called "experts" picking us to finish last but saying that we will be back in 2-3 years this is why. because barring a miracle we will finish last in the afc east, but we have a legit operation now, run by proffesionals that will rebuild the franchise into a legitimate contender within 2-3 years.

Nice post...........but there are still some convinced Spielman should still be here, I'm not one of them.....but I'm sure they are still around.
 
phinking said:
Eddie Moore will make it. Anyone who saw him play last year knows he has ability. Because we took him ahead of Bolden in the draft does not make him a bad player. And keep in mind what conference he played in, the SEC. And Where did Nick Saban coach? The SEC. I'm sure Nick saw Moore a few times while he was there, so if Moore plays this weekend and has a good showing, he is a lock. I don't think Nick Saban cares how many players he keeps at one position, he is not going to let a good player go to keep an inferior player at another position.

Your overlooking one very important thing, Eddie Moore is looking more and more like a chronic injury prone player.
 
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