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Jake Long scares me. I think tackles like Clady and Williams will be just as good as Long in the NFL. In fact, I and many other people including scouts think Clady will be a better left tackle then Jake Long will be in the NFL.
 
Jake Long is about the last guy (within all discussed) that I want to see us draft with the first. If we do we are going to have a few more years of fans discussing bust/not bust as a 1st pick in the draft. We will see almost no impact with him in the overall performance of the Dolphins offense and win loss record.

I think Chris Long is the bigger risk of being a bust BUT at least at his position it would be clear and we could forgo the bust/non-bust bickering that we are going to embark on by drafting Jake Long.

None of the above am I stating as fact but is just my opinion.
 
Clady and Long are completely different players. Let me give you a quick overview. Jake Long is the most dominant run blocker in this draft at any position and will instantly become one of the best--and quite possibly THE BEST--run blockers at the LT position in the NFL. He almost never gets penalties, he almost never has mental lapses, he almost never misses games from injuries, and in the last 2 years at LT in the Big 10 he allowed only 1 sack ... that's both years inclusive. That one sack was to Vernon Gholston whose entire game is built around being a pass rusher and who is expected to be a great pass rusher in this league. Long was rated higher than Joe Thomas when both were in the Big 10. Thomas also gave up a sack while in the Big 10.

Clady is a zone blocker who is very weak as a run blocker and often has mental lapses. Athletically he's really quick, fast, and long so he has the potential to be the best pass pro guy in this draft, but the end result is that his mental lapses really bring that into question. He scored low on the Wonderlich also, which didn't dispell the questions about his mental lapses in his game. IMHO, he's the 2nd best LT in this draft and the very best pass protector.

The thing to remember is that while Clady is athletically better and has the higher ceiling to be the better pass protector, he isn't that today, Jake Long is because he's so consistent. But the difference in their ceilings (Clady's is higher) at pass pro isn't all that large. In contrast, their run blocking isn't even close, as Jake Long is a true dominator in the mold of the old Erik Williams of the Cowboys and Clady is a bit of a cream puff. If we still had Cam and a passing oriented offense, I'd probably not pick Jake Long first, in fact I might pick Clady ahead of Jake Long, but with Parcells smash-mouth offense, it's really a no brainer, Jake Long is light years better than Clady for a Parcells team. In fact, none of the 1st round LT's is really a Parcells guy except Jake Long and Jeff Otah, and Otah is rough around the edges in every aspect of his game.

By the 2nd round, there's simply not going to be a starting LT available that fits Parcells' system. Your choices are either draft Jake Long in round 1 or keep Vernon Carey at LT ... it really is that clear cut.

Now, if we could trade down, we could take Jake Long somewhere in the 2-6 range, or maybe even get Jeff Otah in the 8-20 range, but that's really all we can do.

Clady isn't an option as he's not much of a run blocker and not nearly strong enough to work in Parcells' system. Williams is extremely raw and only has decent run blocking potential. Albert only started playing football his junior year in high school (former elite basketball prospect) and he played LG in college at UVa, so he needs work and he's a projection of a position change. I think Williams and Albert will take 2 years to become true LT's. Sam Baker isn't strong enough, fast enough, and has way too many injury concerns for Parcells to take him in round 1 or 2. Carl Nicks has lots of questions, including he's just not fast/quick enough to play LT IMHO, and he's got a lot of red flags including run ins with the law/character flaws.

If you want anyone other than Jake Long, what you're really saying is that you're happy with Vernon Carey at LT. I was pleasantly surprised he only allowed 3 sacks at LT last year, but I don't think anybody really thought Carey was good at LT, and considering he's a borderline pro-bowl RT, it's kind of a waste to have him at LT IMHO.
 
Clady and Long are completely different players. Let me give you a quick overview. Jake Long is the most dominant run blocker in this draft at any position and will instantly become one of the best--and quite possibly THE BEST--run blockers at the LT position in the NFL. He almost never gets penalties, he almost never has mental lapses, he almost never misses games from injuries, and in the last 2 years at LT in the Big 10 he allowed only 1 sack ... that's both years inclusive. That one sack was to Vernon Gholston whose entire game is built around being a pass rusher and who is expected to be a great pass rusher in this league. Long was rated higher than Joe Thomas when both were in the Big 10. Thomas also gave up a sack while in the Big 10.

Clady is a zone blocker who is very weak as a run blocker and often has mental lapses. Athletically he's really quick, fast, and long so he has the potential to be the best pass pro guy in this draft, but the end result is that his mental lapses really bring that into question. He scored low on the Wonderlich also, which didn't dispell the questions about his mental lapses in his game. IMHO, he's the 2nd best LT in this draft and the very best pass protector.

The thing to remember is that while Clady is athletically better and has the higher ceiling to be the better pass protector, he isn't that today, Jake Long is because he's so consistent. But the difference in their ceilings (Clady's is higher) at pass pro isn't all that large. In contrast, their run blocking isn't even close, as Jake Long is a true dominator in the mold of the old Erik Williams of the Cowboys and Clady is a bit of a cream puff. If we still had Cam and a passing oriented offense, I'd probably not pick Jake Long first, in fact I might pick Clady ahead of Jake Long, but with Parcells smash-mouth offense, it's really a no brainer, Jake Long is light years better than Clady for a Parcells team. In fact, none of the 1st round LT's is really a Parcells guy except Jake Long and Jeff Otah, and Otah is rough around the edges in every aspect of his game.

By the 2nd round, there's simply not going to be a starting LT available that fits Parcells' system. Your choices are either draft Jake Long in round 1 or keep Vernon Carey at LT ... it really is that clear cut.

Now, if we could trade down, we could take Jake Long somewhere in the 2-6 range, or maybe even get Jeff Otah in the 8-20 range, but that's really all we can do.

Clady isn't an option as he's not much of a run blocker and not nearly strong enough to work in Parcells' system. Williams is extremely raw and only has decent run blocking potential. Albert only started playing football his junior year in high school (former elite basketball prospect) and he played LG in college at UVa, so he needs work and he's a projection of a position change. I think Williams and Albert will take 2 years to become true LT's. Sam Baker isn't strong enough, fast enough, and has way too many injury concerns for Parcells to take him in round 1 or 2. Carl Nicks has lots of questions, including he's just not fast/quick enough to play LT IMHO, and he's got a lot of red flags including run ins with the law/character flaws.

If you want anyone other than Jake Long, what you're really saying is that you're happy with Vernon Carey at LT. [ b]I was pleasantly surprised he only allowed 3 sacks at LT last year[/b], but I don't think anybody really thought Carey was good at LT, and considering he's a borderline pro-bowl RT, it's kind of a waste to have him at LT IMHO.

Very good post.

One thing I want to mention about Carey though is he gave up alot of QB hurries that hurt us.. Hurries that led to INT's, turnovers by our QB's, as well as negative plays.

Carey is much better suited at RT.. Take J.Long #1 and we will be looking very good at the tackle positions over the next 10 years.
 
I still think Jake Long is a right tackle. I think he'd excel at both pass and run blocking at the right tackle position. If he's a left tackle in the NFL he'll be exposed against top pass rushers imo but he'd still be a real good run blocker there.
 
I don't know where the ridiculous notion that J Long isn't a left tackle came from.

Ever heard of Florida? USC? Texas? How about Nebraska? How about the names of Adam Carriker...Jarvis Moss...Anthony Spencer, and Harvey to name a few ? all first round selections that Jake Long dominated in college. And you know what? There's more.

The problem is most fans want Orlando Pace...well I wish we could get him too...but players like him only come once in a life time...there's plenty of LT's in the NFL...and they all don't have to be as great as Pace...they just have to be good. Now if you don't think that a player that only gives up two sacks in four years against top notch competition isn't good, then I don't know what to tell you man.

Two years ago Jake Long won the Big 10 best linemen of the year award as a left tackle, not as a right tackle... And J. Long won it in Joe Thomas' senior year when Thomas played in the same conference.
 
Clady and Long are completely different players. Let me give you a quick overview. Jake Long is the most dominant run blocker in this draft at any position and will instantly become one of the best--and quite possibly THE BEST--run blockers at the LT position in the NFL. He almost never gets penalties, he almost never has mental lapses, he almost never misses games from injuries, and in the last 2 years at LT in the Big 10 he allowed only 1 sack ... that's both years inclusive. That one sack was to Vernon Gholston whose entire game is built around being a pass rusher and who is expected to be a great pass rusher in this league. Long was rated higher than Joe Thomas when both were in the Big 10. Thomas also gave up a sack while in the Big 10.

Clady is a zone blocker who is very weak as a run blocker and often has mental lapses. Athletically he's really quick, fast, and long so he has the potential to be the best pass pro guy in this draft, but the end result is that his mental lapses really bring that into question. He scored low on the Wonderlich also, which didn't dispell the questions about his mental lapses in his game. IMHO, he's the 2nd best LT in this draft and the very best pass protector.

The thing to remember is that while Clady is athletically better and has the higher ceiling to be the better pass protector, he isn't that today, Jake Long is because he's so consistent. But the difference in their ceilings (Clady's is higher) at pass pro isn't all that large. In contrast, their run blocking isn't even close, as Jake Long is a true dominator in the mold of the old Erik Williams of the Cowboys and Clady is a bit of a cream puff. If we still had Cam and a passing oriented offense, I'd probably not pick Jake Long first, in fact I might pick Clady ahead of Jake Long, but with Parcells smash-mouth offense, it's really a no brainer, Jake Long is light years better than Clady for a Parcells team. In fact, none of the 1st round LT's is really a Parcells guy except Jake Long and Jeff Otah, and Otah is rough around the edges in every aspect of his game.

By the 2nd round, there's simply not going to be a starting LT available that fits Parcells' system. Your choices are either draft Jake Long in round 1 or keep Vernon Carey at LT ... it really is that clear cut.

Now, if we could trade down, we could take Jake Long somewhere in the 2-6 range, or maybe even get Jeff Otah in the 8-20 range, but that's really all we can do.

Clady isn't an option as he's not much of a run blocker and not nearly strong enough to work in Parcells' system. Williams is extremely raw and only has decent run blocking potential. Albert only started playing football his junior year in high school (former elite basketball prospect) and he played LG in college at UVa, so he needs work and he's a projection of a position change. I think Williams and Albert will take 2 years to become true LT's. Sam Baker isn't strong enough, fast enough, and has way too many injury concerns for Parcells to take him in round 1 or 2. Carl Nicks has lots of questions, including he's just not fast/quick enough to play LT IMHO, and he's got a lot of red flags including run ins with the law/character flaws.

If you want anyone other than Jake Long, what you're really saying is that you're happy with Vernon Carey at LT. I was pleasantly surprised he only allowed 3 sacks at LT last year, but I don't think anybody really thought Carey was good at LT, and considering he's a borderline pro-bowl RT, it's kind of a waste to have him at LT IMHO.

Excellent post, very good points all around.
 
While I personally like J. Long and would be fine with him at #1, I don't think BP will take him. If memory serves, BP had full GM powers and the #1 pick in the draft the year that Orlando Pace and Walter Jones came out. He traded down in that draft twice and took a LB Farrior. Maybe his approach has changed or maybe Ireland thinks differently and has enough influence but you wouldn't think that from the scant interest they've shown.
 
Excellent post, very good points all around.

Digital has quickly become the best poster on this board.

This dude has some astute knowledge regarding players and the overall game.
 
I don't know where the ridiculous notion that J Long isn't a left tackle came from.

Ever heard of Florida? USC? Texas? How about Nebraska? How about the names of Adam Carriker...Jarvis Moss...Anthony Spencer, and Harvey to name a few ? all first round selections that Jake Long dominated in college. And you know what? There's more.

The problem is most fans want Orlando Pace...well I wish we could get him too...but players like him only come once in a life time...there's plenty of LT's in the NFL...and they all don't have to be as great as Pace...they just have to be good. Now if you don't think that a player that only gives up two sacks in four years against top notch competition isn't good, then I don't know what to tell you man.

Two years ago Jake Long won the Big 10 best linemen of the year award as a left tackle, not as a right tackle... And J. Long won it in Joe Thomas' senior year when Thomas played in the same conference.


Well, not many people were saying he would be a RT about 10 months ago and he had a great senior year to boot. I find it funny that all he did was solidify himself as the best T in this draft and all of a sudden some draft gurus come in (I am not talking about this board) start saying he is better suited for RT and all of a sudden a good portion of the fan base on this board all of a sudden believe he will be better used as a RT.

I personally don't understand it myself. Jake Long is and will be a LT in the league. He may start his rookie season at RT(MAYBE) but his 2nd year he will definitely transition over to LT.
 
The Miami Dolphins could draft Jake Long. It's certainly very possible. I wouldn't be dissappointed with the pick either. However, history does not favor Jake Long when it comes to Bill Parcells track record of drafting offensive lineman in the first round of the NFL Draft. Follow me on this one.

Bill Parcells has been in the NFL a long time. He's been with the Giants, Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys. In all of the NFL Drafts he's been a part of, do you all know how many offensive lineman he's taken in the first round of a Draft? Just three offensive lineman. That's it, he's only selected an offensive lineman just three times in his coaching career in the first round. All of those selections happened when he was with the New York Giants as well.

- In 1984 the Giants selected OG William Roberts, Ohio State with 27th overall pick

- In 1988 the Giants selected OT Eric Moore, Indiana University with the 10th overall pick

- In 1989 the Giants selected C Brian Williams, University of Minnesota with the 18th overall pick.

Bill Parcells hasn't drafted an offensive lineman in the first round in almost 20 years. Look, I'm not saying Jake Long isn't a possibility for the Dolphins. They certainly could take him, but history is not on Jake's side.
 
The Miami Dolphins could draft Jake Long. It's certainly very possible. I wouldn't be dissappointed with the pick either. However, history does not favor Jake Long when it comes to Bill Parcells track record of drafting offensive lineman in the first round of the NFL Draft. Follow me on this one.

Bill Parcells has been in the NFL a long time. He's been with the Giants, Patriots, Jets, and Cowboys. In all of the NFL Drafts he's been a part of, do you all know how many offensive lineman he's taken in the first round of a Draft? Just three offensive lineman. That's it, he's only selected an offensive lineman just three times in his coaching career in the first round. All of those selections happened when he was with the New York Giants as well.

- In 1984 the Giants selected OG William Roberts, Ohio State with 27th overall pick

- In 1988 the Giants selected OT Eric Moore, Indiana University with the 10th overall pick

- In 1989 the Giants selected C Brian Williams, University of Minnesota with the 18th overall pick.

Bill Parcells hasn't drafted an offensive lineman in the first round in almost 20 years. Look, I'm not saying Jake Long isn't a possibility for the Dolphins. They certainly could take him, but history is not on Jake's side.

I don't take much stock in BP's history with other teams. Each team is different, with varying strengths, weaknesses, and needs.

What I do take stock in, is our moves during free agency. We agressively went after several linebackers, d-linemen, safeties, recievers, two corners and a tight end. At the same time we cut 3 offensive tackles, and did not go after any of the free agent offensive tackles.

This leads me to believe that Jake Long has been the pick for a while now, this also makes me think we'll be drafting several offensive linemen in this draft alone.

I just don't see how Chris Long is the pick for them, when we have JT and Porter, and then we also agressively pursue Calvin Pace.

And if Ryan or Dorsey was the pick, I don't see why they wouldn't have gone after one of the free agent tackles.
 
I dont mind Jake Long. But if your asking me if its 100% i dont know... This is a very very deep OT class and we could get a great LT with #32... Im just happy Matt Ryan is finally out of the picture...:woot:
 
JAMESBW43....You sir have crystalized the situation eloquently!

With the cuts we made to the O Line and addressing all the other concerns BUT the O Line it seems more than highly likely that Jake Long will be the pick.

It appears that the only other possible move by Miami not taking J. Long at #1 is for them to make some sort of draft day trade of draft positions if the pot is right......I'm looking at you Jerry Jones....
 
Jake Long is about the last guy (within all discussed) that I want to see us draft with the first. If we do we are going to have a few more years of fans discussing bust/not bust as a 1st pick in the draft. We will see almost no impact with him in the overall performance of the Dolphins offense and win loss record.

I think Chris Long is the bigger risk of being a bust BUT at least at his position it would be clear and we could forgo the bust/non-bust bickering that we are going to embark on by drafting Jake Long.

None of the above am I stating as fact but is just my opinion.


How illogical can a point be? If Jake Long isn't a beast of a LT, then who is? He gave up, listen to this, "2" sacks his ENTIRE college career!!! Huh???

He "only" gave up, "1" sack to Vernon Ghoulston!!! "1"!!!!

How is that "struggling" at LT, the position he has played the last two years!!!!

The only reason why he would be better at RT than LT is because of how "great" his run blocking is....second to none!

Did you not know that Jake Long won "OL of the year" last season and the season before? Guess who he beat out? Joe Thomas!!!!

Cuz, it makes no sense whatsoever to even consider Jake Long of any type of doubts as a safe #1 pick.

He would fill LT or RT. Which we have a hole in one of the two....whichever he mans, Carey mans the other.

Again, I reiterate what Jeff Ireland said at the Senior Bowl: "We are going to draft....THE BEST PLAYER THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HELP US OUT 'THE MOST', NOT THE BPA THAT ANY DRAFT GURU MAY FEEL IS THE BPA".

Can you get any more plainer than that??????
 
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