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ShaneHulscher

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Why does everyone think the patriots will be so godly this year? Their running game is almost non existant, Tom Brady is coming off a crippling knee injury (ala Carson Palmer in which they went from 11-5 to 8-8 to 7-9 and 4-11-1.) There is no guarantee the first time pretty boy gets dropped on by a safety blitz he doesnt crumble again. Plus on top of all of this they have a sub standard secondary and on old front 7. They are desperate enough in the run game to go pick up the ageless wonder in Fred Taylor (who I had nothing but respect for til this) I suppose I just dont see the threat. Plus their offensive line is deteroirating they gave up 48 sacks in 2008 as opposed to 21 in 2007. Someone please explain to me how they will dominate this AFC East.
 
I'm with you. While the Patriots are always at least some kind of good, I don't buy into the whole automatic division championship that the media and fans are already giving them. They've got some issues to work out. Beating them this year will be more special now that Brady's back.
 
As much as I hate the Patriots, I do think they are still a good team,they should retool this year with the picks they get in the draft.Dolphins will still have them to contend with.
 
Why does everyone think the patriots will be so godly this year? Their running game is almost non existant, Tom Brady is coming off a crippling knee injury (ala Carson Palmer in which they went from 11-5 to 8-8 to 7-9 and 4-11-1.) There is no guarantee the first time pretty boy gets dropped on by a safety blitz he doesnt crumble again. Plus on top of all of this they have a sub standard secondary and on old front 7. They are desperate enough in the run game to go pick up the ageless wonder in Fred Taylor (who I had nothing but respect for til this) I suppose I just dont see the threat. Plus their offensive line is deteroirating they gave up 48 sacks in 2008 as opposed to 21 in 2007. Someone please explain to me how they will dominate this AFC East.


They have tape of other teams. So they already have an unfair advantage.
 
Why does everyone think the patriots will be so godly this year? Their running game is almost non existant, Tom Brady is coming off a crippling knee injury (ala Carson Palmer in which they went from 11-5 to 8-8 to 7-9 and 4-11-1.) There is no guarantee the first time pretty boy gets dropped on by a safety blitz he doesnt crumble again. Plus on top of all of this they have a sub standard secondary and on old front 7. They are desperate enough in the run game to go pick up the ageless wonder in Fred Taylor (who I had nothing but respect for til this) I suppose I just dont see the threat. Plus their offensive line is deteroirating they gave up 48 sacks in 2008 as opposed to 21 in 2007. Someone please explain to me how they will dominate this AFC East.

There's no predicting the future, but there are counter-points to everything you wrote:

- Their running game can at minimum be as good as it was in 07, when they went undefeated. Even if Fred Taylor sucks (he didn't last year) they still have the Maroney / Morris / Faulk combo that has been good enough.

- A less-than-100% Tom Brady should still be better than Matt Cassel was...and who's to say that he won't be 100%

- Carson Palmer's knee was not the reason for Cincinatti's decline. He threw for over 4000 yds and more than 25 TD's each of the 2 seasons after his knee injury. Each injury is different anyway, so it has little meaning, but Palmer did come back strong after his injury

- Secondary SHOULD be better than last year...they got Leigh Bodden, who many here wanted, and who all here would proclaim 'the answer' if we had signed him. Shawn Springs is still a decnet player when healthy, and they have sufficient depth that he shouldn't have to play all downs. Merriweather should benefit from his playing experience.

- Front 7 isn't that old....Wilfork, Warren, Seymor are in their primes, and as good a front 3 as you'll find. Linebackers are not special, but play well in the system. Teddy Bruschi will likely be phased out during the year. Expect young LB's to be drafted.

- I think that the young inexperienced Matt Cassel had more to do with the huge jump in sacks than the line did. Teams pressure young QB's (ask Joey Porter) and if he doesn't get rid of the ball...no O-Line is going to keep him upright.

I hope you ar eright and all those weaknesses you see are true, and the Patriots go 2-14 (beating the Jets twice)....but I have a feeling they are going to be pretty good still.
 
Go look at their drafts the past 3 yrs, they got Mayo and Merriweather in rd 1 and a kicker....the rest is crap. If the corners they had drafted last yr were any good they wouldnt have signed the FA's that they did and supposedly be targeting another on this yr. IMO they are definately on the decline.
 
As much as I hate the Patriots, I do think they are still a good team,they should retool this year with the picks they get in the draft.Dolphins will still have them to contend with.
I agree. They have about 75 picks in the first 3 rounds. Also, Brady is god. Why wouldn't he come back a year after a bad knee injury to throw 40tds and 5000 yds? :rolleyes2:
 
Go look at their drafts the past 3 yrs, they got Mayo and Merriweather in rd 1 and a kicker....the rest is crap. If the corners they had drafted last yr were any good they wouldnt have signed the FA's that they did and supposedly be targeting another on this yr. IMO they are definately on the decline.

Most of the 'crap' were picked up by other teams and are still in the nfl, or are still with the team. It's tough for all but the best to crack their starting lineup, especially when they are picking late in every round. How many of the fins fantastic picks were selected late the past few years? Most wouldn't make the Pats roster either.

The cb's they picked last year will get a lot of playing time. Just because the Pats use FA's to provide more talent isn't a negative to me. Bodden signed for chump change (1.5M) and is a proven starter. Let Wilhite & Wheatley learn from him. Springs will be moved to safety and can help replace Harrision. Not many decent safeties in this draft if the pundits are corect.

Don't forget to include Moss & Welker as part of their draft class. BB was smart enough to pick up both for draft picks (2nd, 4th, & a 7th rd picks). Think any rookie selected at those spots would provide even 1% of what they got for those picks?

The only position thats 'aging' is at WR and that doesn't seem to be an area of concern for this season, not with Moss, Welker, Galloway. Every other position is stocked with a mix of vets and younger players.

Yet to some, the 'decline' continues. I'll take another five years of similar decline. That would work out to perhaps one season under 10 wins.
 
Why does everyone think the patriots will be so godly this year? Their running game is almost non existant, Tom Brady is coming off a crippling knee injury (ala Carson Palmer in which they went from 11-5 to 8-8 to 7-9 and 4-11-1.) There is no guarantee the first time pretty boy gets dropped on by a safety blitz he doesnt crumble again. Plus on top of all of this they have a sub standard secondary and on old front 7. They are desperate enough in the run game to go pick up the ageless wonder in Fred Taylor (who I had nothing but respect for til this) I suppose I just dont see the threat. Plus their offensive line is deteroirating they gave up 48 sacks in 2008 as opposed to 21 in 2007. Someone please explain to me how they will dominate this AFC East.

This is a bizzare thread. why
About this Non existant running game

AFC East No1 rushing attack followed by jets ,dolphins and bills
AFC 2nd best running game only behind baltimore .baltimore had 50 more rushes or else NE would have been better.
NFL 7th best rushing attack compared to say 17th dolphins
Around 2400 yds
4.4 yds/game better than baltimore btw
5 different RB had a 100 yd/game in one season.New NFL team record.

Palmer Tore his ACL in the playoff and did not have the recovery time brady had
Palmer did not play in have passing camps,training camp the following year and started aka manning and even peyton struggles
Brady is already throwing passes in passing camps and has a year to heal.

OLD front 7

Old DL emm explain

Seymour - 29
Vince wilfork - 26
Ty warran -27
Backups Green -27 , Wright -26 ,Smith -25

LB explain
Thomas-31
Mayo -23
Guyton -24 [He played 60% of snaps ILB compared to 40% of brushi] so i am going with the 60% guy
Woods -26
Backups - bru 34,alexander -26, crable -24 ,redd -24
 
You have to laugh at these people who still think of the Patriots as Old.
Average age of the D players right now with out adding in what they may get in this seasons Draft is a massive 26.7 years. That has a lot to do with Brew at 35 and Thomas at 31 with out them it drops to 25.3.
It will fall even more after the Draft.

Jonathan Wilhite played very well at the end of last season but need more experience. Terrence Wheatley played well early till a wrist injury sidelined him.
Bodden may end up a starter but I don't know if Springs will even make the final roster.
 
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