I Feel Our Running Game Has Improved

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  1. Ray R

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    Instead of seeing a prime mover for our running game, I see three good to excellent runners in Drake, Gore and Ballage. I think they will all be above average to good blockers and receivers while they each bring a little variety to our running game. This will be better than our hit or miss running game of the last two years.

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    They also added an excellent RB coach
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA. Love the picture. As someone who makes/sells stone countertops, that's hilarious.
     
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    My sister sent me some photos in a folder called awards. Maybe I should start a thread with a picture and ask our posters what part of our team or organization it best represents. How about this one as an example:

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    Where in the stadium does this go?
     
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    I agree whole heartedly. Drake is year removed from proving he can be a very explosive feature back.

    Gore older or not continues to succeed, and he adds something we have been lacking for a while, to be more consistent in 3rd and short, and inside the redzone.

    Ballage has supposedly shown good skills in camp, and will get a chance to use that impressive speed on that powerback size.
     
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    They also did a great job with the o-line and Coach Kris is serious business so I'm expecting a quality o-line. Plus Sitton is exactly as advertised so far, and I expect his toughness and meanness to rub off on Tunsil.
     
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    I don't understand the Gore hype. Peoples talked poop about Landry and his avg of 8.8 last year and how he caught 100 balls but didn't break 1k. Gore averaged 3.68 ypc which was good for 43rd in the NFL, and is one of 2 players who were top ten in rush attempts but didn't break 1k but the other guy only played 10 games.

    I love Gore and I am a big Hurricane fan and as much as I want him to have a good year I just can't see it. Drake ran well behind an awful line but used his superior speed and explosiveness to over come the line and break off long runs. I feel like with Gore avg'ing under 4 yards per carry the last 3 years it's only going to slow our offense down and his effective attempts are going to be few and far between.

    But as Hurricane and Dolphin fan its good to have Gore on the roster and I hope he has a decent year for us. He was special his freshman year and if not for multiple knee injuries in college he would have been a top 5 pick and would have been the undisputed best UM HB in NFL history.
     
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    That's an easy one. That's Jakeem Grant's toilet.
     
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    IMO, Gore is as much about a veteran presence and teaching the kids how to be a pro as it is about production
     
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    My thoughts on Gore are:
    1) He's a grinder when it comes to preparation.
    2) He is familiar with a system similar to Gases'.
    3) He is still in exceptional physical condition.
    4) He is still playing at a high level.
    5) All of the above, are traits that newer players can look up to. They have already commented on his high level of conditioning.
    6) He seems to like being here, specifically in Miami and he has said so and he has said said why. He plans to retire here.

    It doesn't get much better than that.
     
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    and contrast that with Landry's immature, unprofessional(not to mention expensive) presence
     
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    Lmao
     
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    don't we have coaches for that?
     
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    I will cut Gore a little slack for his low yards per carry with the Colts considering their O-line was awful and this guy was their O-line coach.
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    Sure but it is always a plus when you have a veteran player/leader. They go through the grind with you and think the coach can be a jackass sometimes just like you do. Often times it is much easier to relate to them than the coach.
    Especially if you feel like the coach has singled you out and hates your guts. A vet will just pull you to the side and tell you what the reality is. He doesn't hate you but want you to perform like a professional so watch me and I'll show you how to get out of the doghouse.

    That layer of leadership is immensely helpful in many professions.
     
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    Plus the backup QB situation. Basically a rookie, so he had lots of tells. And the opposing defenses expected the run. I’m not worried about the low ypc, especially with Drake getting most of the snaps.
     
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    And I'll add Gore can be in the weight room for the entire workout and in the film room all afternoon. Coaches can't do that.
     
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    The running game hopefully has improved based on the additions to the Oline.
     
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    Im hoping Ballage is decent.
     
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    I dont think you are considering just how awful Indy's line was/is...same line that ruined Andrew Lucks career.

    PFF considers things like line play, yards after contact and other stats than just looking at YPC... PFF had Gore as the #14 RB in the NFL last year, just ahead of Drake at #15.

    Considering we added the #5 Guard in Sitton as well as a very good RB in Gore I have to agree the running game will improve this year
     
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    The Colts just made the single biggest investment on interior OL that I've ever seen. OG's with the 6th and 37th selections in the draft. Think about that for a second. Arguably the worst roster in the NFL and it's bigger holes were on the OL. It's amazing Gore is still walking, let alone producing at the rate he was.
     
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    Well if were using pff, they had us ranked as a worse OL than the Colts. They also graded us last in yards before contact, so while Sitton may indeed be an upgrade that still leaves the remaining players that contributed to us having one of the worst run blocking rankings last year. Kilgore and Pouncey are a wash so I don't see him impacting the center position like Sitton is going to do with the guard position.

    Drake looked like he was able to overcome his crappy line unlike Gore who maybe at this point in his career doesn't have the physical gifts to make up for a horrible OL. Considering the majority of our line is manned by individuals who were part of one of the worst run blocking units and helped us have a last place grade in yards before contact it would be fair to say that outside of Drake our run game will be mediocre at best. Thats why despite Drake being the leading rusher in the NFL over the last 5 games the Dolphins as a team were ranked 25th in rushing yards over the last 5 games of the season.
     
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    Im hyped about Gore but it has nothing to do with highlight reel runs or even mass production at this point. I like to believe that the running game and passing game serve 2 different purposes in an offense.

    You'll usually get explosive plays from the passing game or at least its the easiest way to get them, and those usually come with favorable down and distance. Thats where the running game comes in. There's alot of value in a 3-4 yard gain on average with little variance coming with it.

    Gore brings that IMO, consistency and reliability. Fins have a more dynamic RB option on the roster, so Gore fits well as a heat sink IMO. And we havent even talked about the locker room benefits yet... I dont expect big numbers from Gore, but if the coaches draw up a play and expect 4 yards on a run from that play, he'll get them.

    I think any evaluation of the offense in 2018 should be thrown down the toilet... Except maybe for the short passing game. Cutler's arm was sot and everyone knew it... This affected the run game just as much as the medium and deep passing game...
     
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    The problem with most statistics is they are typically averaged over an entire season. Our offensive line improving its performance over the last 4 or 5 games gets lost in that averaging. I like to consider the way a team is trending over the last half of a season as a measure of how they are really doing.

    Some of our most important players showed some extremely poor judgment towards the end of the year. One players attitude and resulting reduced performance was so poor that he was traded before the year was over. Coach Gase said he felt is was in both his and the teams best interest, and he was right! Our running game was significantly better without that player and he got to play on a Superbowl team.

    Another player appeared to me to be playing to an audience on social media by reducing his self discipline during games and acting out on the field instead, which worked against our teams best interests. One of his last actions actually cost us a game. The team still made him a large offer to stay for this year, but he left for more money. His choice, and as far as I'm concerned it worked to our advantage. We got two veterans that cost us less then the offer he left on the table and can be expected to add to the wide receiver groups capabilities.

    Two players were primarily money cap casualties, but both had exhibited performance that was less than expected for their large contracts. One had some lingering medical issues that affected his availability. The team took some extreme measures so that he could play each week, but those measures curtailed his practice time, which turned out to be critical. The best ability is availability. The other player had started to free lance a little. This was not as serious as his extraordinarily large contract, but it was likely part of the consideration to keep him or eat a lot of dead money. We chose to eat the dead money.
    Free lancing had been a serious problem with many players in 2015 and they either got with the program or were dropped from the program. I'm sure he knew better. Possibly it was an attempt on his part to make plays, but it wasn't what the coaches expected to see during those plays.

    It is useful to know that Kilgore's performance after Garoppolo took over as QB was much better than the years statistics indicate.

    Because I consider a player and teams end of the year performance more important than the years statistics, I see our team as having improved in almost all areas offensively and defensively. I do look for good playing from our draftees and free agents, but why shouldn't I. We can reasonably expect veterans to play at or near their last years performance, depending on their fit in the teams playing schemes to the same extent that any team that keeps a veteran does. I feel we are better off than most other teams in getting performance out of our draftees. I base this on two things:
    1) Performance - the performance of our team in selecting good players at all levels in the draft and the coaches bringing them up to speed before exposing them to the NFL level players they will be facing.
    2) The fact that Gase has said he may have held some players back longer than necessary in the past. I suspect he is so driven to win that he hangs on to some veterans too long. He appears to have overcome that level of conservatism.
     
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    This is my biggest reason for hope for improvement overall this season is the new position coaches. That being said a running back by committee is the approach that I see for the best sucess given Gores age, Drakes injury history and Ballage being a rookie.
     
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    And according to PFF, gore was a better RB than Drake last year....


    they also have Stills as worse than 80+ other receivers which seems ridiculous so really I have no ieea what to think of PFF anymore lol
     

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