I miss Jim Bates!

[rayfinkle5]

I know time is supposed to heal wounds but I still wonder how different the last three years would have been with coach Bates running the show. Players loved him. Fans loved him. At the very least he had fire and was entertaining.

 

[SpaceMountain16]

I liked Jim Bates a lot too. But with the turnover of players from his tenure here, and the fact that his defensive schemes were somewhat vanilla and not extremely effective, i doubt we would have much more success than we have. Nick Saban was better for this defense than Bates was.

 

[phinfan33]

I liked Jim Bates a lot too. But with the turnover of players from his tenure here, and the fact that his defensive schemes were somewhat vanilla and not extremely effective, i doubt we would have much more success than we have. Nick Saban was better for this defense than Bates was.

you say Saban was better for our defense than Bates was,and i agree. as much as people bash on Saban on here,and i can understand where all of you are coming from,i also didn't like it when he lied to us and said he wasn't taking the coaching job at Alabama,then hightailed it to Bama...but,when he was the Dolphins coach,we had a top-notch defense,ranked 4th in the league. that alone makes me wish he would've stayed on as our DC.

 

[apa64che]

I know time is supposed to heal wounds but I still wonder how different the last three years would have been with coach Bates running the show. Players loved him. Fans loved him. At the very least he had fire and was entertaining.

I know where you're coming from. I don't know how good, or successfull Bates would have been for us, but I'll tell you this. He was exactly what we needed when he took the helm. That Pats game was like a shot of adrenalin.

 

[SpaceMountain16]

you say Saban was better for our defense than Bates was,and i agree. as much as people bash on Saban on here,and i can understand where all of you are coming from,i also didn't like it when he lied to us and said he wasn't taking the coaching job at Alabama,then hightailed it to Bama...but,when he was the Dolphins coach,we had a top-notch defense,ranked 4th in the league. that alone makes me wish he would've stayed on as our DC.

Right, and again, dont get me wrong i really did like Jim Bates and Nick Saban is hardly a guy i'd like to have over for Thanksgiving dinner but when Saban took over he took over a Bates defense that always had somewhat underachieved and turned them into a real top caliber unit. The Phins defense under Bates was always good but not great, and always seemed to fail in crunch time. Saban's defense at least in 2005 was great.

 

[rayfinkle5]

I know where you're coming from. I don't know how good, or successfull Bates would have been for us, but I'll tell you this. He was exactly what we needed when he took the helm. That Pats game was like a shot of adrenalin.

That is all I am saying. No need to get into defensive systems and start drawing out schematics to prove whether or not he was effective. Bottom line: I have never rooted so hard for a 4-12 team in my life. Jim Bates put a charge into a group of players who were previously 1-8. That is all I need to prove he was effective.

 

[phinfan33]

Right, and again, dont get me wrong i really did like Jim Bates and Nick Saban is hardly a guy i'd like to have over for Thanksgiving dinner but when Saban took over he took over a Bates defense that always had somewhat underachieved and turned them into a real top caliber unit. The Phins defense under Bates was always good but not great, and always seemed to fail in crunch time. Saban's defense at least in 2005 was great.

yes it was great in 05,and i hope that our defense under Pasqualoni will turn into a great defense. i know that during his years of coaching Syracuse,he had winning teams,and if my memory serves me right,he also had really good to great defenses. now i don't know how he was as LB coach at Dallas,but i'm hopeful that under his guidance,our defense will again be a great defense.

 

[apa64che]

That is all I am saying. No need to get into defensive systems and start drawing out schematics to prove whether or not he was effective. Bottom line: I have never rooted so hard for a 4-12 team in my life. Jim Bates put a charge into a group of players who were previously 1-8. That is all I need to prove he was effective.

I'm pickin up what you're puttin down!! :up:

 

[jreg1]

I liked Jim Bates a lot too. But with the turnover of players from his tenure here, and the fact that his defensive schemes were somewhat vanilla and not extremely effective, i doubt we would have much more success than we have. Nick Saban was better for this defense than Bates was.

I don't disagree with you but sometimes a vanilla defense is a good thing. I really enjoyed seeing Jason just put his hand on the ground and pin his ears back and go! We had two big d tackles beside him and we played man under two deep press coverage and it worked!! When Saban came nothing made me more upset than seeing a safety coming damn near from punt formation trying to blitz the qb and never getting there!!!
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[Geforce]

I liked Jim Bates a lot too. But with the turnover of players from his tenure here, and the fact that his defensive schemes were somewhat vanilla and not extremely effective, i doubt we would have much more success than we have. Nick Saban was better for this defense than Bates was.

Not extremely effective? Finishing in the Top 10 (Top 6 three times) every year in total defense during his five plus years as defensive coordinator is not extremely effective?

 

[SportsWorx]

Players loved him so much he was out of football a year, and lasted only one year in denver, whose D was awful last year. Probably a decent guy but we would be no better off if he had been hired.

 

[Predaphin]

I know time is supposed to heal wounds but I still wonder how different the last three years would have been with coach Bates running the show. Players loved him. Fans loved him. At the very least he had fire and was entertaining.

There is a huge misconception about Jim Bates.

You are right that players and fans loved him, but I think it was due more to the relief of not having Wannstache as coach anymore.

Jime Bates is as vanilla as they come. He would let the players play in his vanilla schemes. Fortunatley at the time we had about 12 Pro-Bopwlers on defense alone, which made him look like a genious.

But the fact that he was not a good coach came out when he was not offered the Dolphins coaching position.

He then went on to Green Bay, where he could not make the defense better, only to bounce over to Denver, where he had better players play in his vanilla scheme, however, once the Broncos started losing players on defense, they ultimatley gave him the boot.

So you see, Jim Bates is as vanilla as they come. He let's his players play, but unless you are full of talent on defense, you are not going to get very far.

 

[Geforce]

Players loved him so much he was out of football a year, and lasted only one year in denver, whose D was awful last year. Probably a decent guy but we would be no better off if he had been hired.

Bates was out of football in 2006 because he didn't get the head coaching job in Green Bay. McCarthy even tried talking Bates into staying but Jim turned him down.

Bates signed with Denver to become their defensive coordinator but they gave it to the defensive back coach and Bates was named Assistant Head Coach/Defense. Bates didn't like that situation so he resigned.

 

[Geforce]

There is a huge misconception about Jim Bates.

You are right that players and fans loved him, but I think it was due more to the relief of not having Wannstache as coach anymore.

Jime Bates is as vanilla as they come. He would let the players play in his vanilla schemes. Fortunatley at the time we had about 12 Pro-Bopwlers on defense alone, which made him look like a genious.

But the fact that he was not a good coach came out when he was not offered the Dolphins coaching position.

He then went on to Green Bay, where he could not make the defense better, only to bounce over to Denver, where he had better players play in his vanilla scheme, however, once the Broncos started losing players on defense, they ultimatley gave him the boot.

So you see, Jim Bates is as vanilla as they come. He let's his players play, but unless you are full of talent on defense, you are not going to get very far.

You do know that Green Bay's defense finished in the Top 10 in total defense the one year Bates were their defensive coordinator?

Bates did go to Denver but he was not the defensive coordinator. He was the Assistant Head Coach/Defense.

 

[maverick50]

I thought jim Bates did something that wanny and nick failed to do and that was , he pointed out where we need help but it went on deaf ears and here we are.