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I want Dennis Hickey to draft like Tom Telesco

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Every player he drafted dropped due to combine/size/speed or weight issues.

DJ Fluker - before combine was considered the 3rd best OT prospect. Due to a poor combine, Lane Johnson went 4th overall and Fluker dropped to 11.

Manti Teo - once considered Top 10, dropped due to combine and 'catfish' scandal.

Keenan Allen - once considered a top 10 pick, but again dropped due to poor 40 at combine.

Steve Williams - at 5'10 185lbs he dropped due to size issue.

Tourek Williams - Dropped due to short arms and very poor combine.

Brad Sorensen - Dropped due to deep QB class and a lack of consistency but has big upside as a pocket passer

San Diego nailed 3 rookie starters, with just six picks, drafting players on football ability rather than numbers, that's what I want from Hickey.
 
I personally think drafting based on weighing combine over what you have seen in games is beyond stupid. The combine should be for choosing guys that you see as close in ability and having a reason to pick one over the other or confirming what you see on film.
I don't pay much attention to combine
 
I called for players such as Bjoern Werner, Lotulelei, teo, Demontre Moore, Keenan Allen, Menelik Watson, Larry Warford etc last year. I mention Werner as he wasn't a player who performed last year but these are the players I wanted to target
 
Last year I was interested in guys like Cordarrelle Patterson, Tyler Eifert, Lane Johnson, and Ryan Swope (concussion issues did him in) all of whom were considered 2nd round picks by many people this time last year ... but by the time the combine came and went, they were all 1st rounders. I judged based on what I saw on the field, but when that was confirmed at the Combine, these guys all became much harder to get.

What I want from Hickey is to get guys who will build a good lasting OL. If we can't get a good LT like Taylor Lewan, then I'm perfectly happy getting a stud LG and swing OT in Zack Martin. But, we need a lot more than that. I'd love to pluck James Hurst in round 3 and let him heal up a season, because he could be the answer to our LT position on the cheap.
 
Digital said:
Last year I was interested in guys like Cordarrelle Patterson, Tyler Eifert, Lane Johnson, and Ryan Swope (concussion issues did him in) all of whom were considered 2nd round picks by many people this time last year ... but by the time the combine came and went, they were all 1st rounders. I judged based on what I saw on the field, but when that was confirmed at the Combine, these guys all became much harder to get.

What I want from Hickey is to get guys who will build a good lasting OL. If we can't get a good LT like Taylor Lewan, then I'm perfectly happy getting a stud LG and swing OT in Zack Martin. But, we need a lot more than that. I'd love to pluck James Hurst in round 3 and let him heal up a season, because he could be the answer to our LT position on the cheap.
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I just don't wany any high picks of part time players like Brown and Jordan
 
This is silly, if you didn't take combine results or health into account....Russell White would've been a HOF'er in the NFL. And Jamar Taylor fell because of his health questions, based on last year and the word that he will have a hard time healing injuries....I don't think he fell far enough.

Having said that...we need to stop drafting guys for need and take guys based on where they are on the overall board.
 
mithga13 said:
This is silly, if you didn't take combine results or health into account....Russell White would've been a HOF'er in the NFL. And Jamar Taylor fell because of his health questions, based on last year and the word that he will have a hard time healing injuries....I don't think he fell far enough.

Having said that...we need to stop drafting guys for need and take guys based on where they are on the overall board.
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Who is Russell White?
 
dlockz said:
I personally think drafting based on weighing combine over what you have seen in games is beyond stupid. The combine should be for choosing guys that you see as close in ability and having a reason to pick one over the other or confirming what you see on film.
I don't pay much attention to combine
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I'm sorry but you obviously don't understand what Shouwrong/Gravity has been preaching so brilliantly on this board.....throw game film out....the truth is buried deep down in obscure stats.

Any GM worth having will transition to this new way or get laughed out of the league!:rolleyes2:
 
mithga13 said:
This is silly, if you didn't take combine results or health into account....Russell White would've been a HOF'er in the NFL. And Jamar Taylor fell because of his health questions, based on last year and the word that he will have a hard time healing injuries....I don't think he fell far enough.

Having said that...we need to stop drafting guys for need and take guys based on where they are on the overall board.
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health should always be in account but combine should just confirm or help u choose between closely rated players.
 
datruth55 said:
Who is Russell White?
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A rb from the 70's lol. There are plenty of misses even with the combine results. You just don't propel a guy way up because he has a nice combine. You would think people would realize just because guys are athletes doesn't nake them football players
 
Way too much emphasis is put on most combine numbers. Bench press for linemen are a good conditioning indicator and the vertical and broad jumps for WRs/RBs/TEs/DBs/OLBs are useful as in indicator of explosiveness. Especially for WRs, there's a pretty good correlation between those results and success in the league. Jon Martin is a great cautionary tale of taking tackles who put out poor bench press results.

In my view, one of the least useful numbers is the 40. There's a specific technique to running a fast 40 time on a track in your underwear that doesn't correlate closely to running a route in your pads, on grass, with a DB in your face and your adrenaline coursing through your veins. So, dismissing a guy over a tenth of a second - which could be off by several tenths in a real game situation - is nuts.

The 10m split is mildly useful for DE/OLBs, RBs and WRs, I'm just not sure how accurately it's timed at the combine and even then it's not a great predictor of success.

But, the reality is, if a guy looks good on the field - he is good on the field, whatever his combine results say.
 
Players I like are Zach Martin, CJ Mosely, Aaron Donald, Jason Verrett, Ryan Shazier, Brandin Cooks, Austin Seferian Jenkins, Lamarcus Joiner, Antonio Richardson, Dominique Easley, Telvin Smith, Cyril Richardson, Victor Hampton, DaQuan Jones, Robert Herron, all I feel have dropped or provide good value for various reasons
 
I'm far from a scout but I'd imagine the combine is important for many reasons outside of measuring intangibles. There's the opportunity to talk to a vast array of talent in one centralized location ( savings on gas money). You can rub elbows with new and old front office buddies. Get their opinions, maybe some gossip of a team's intentions on draft day. You get to see which prospects are not taking the most important tryout of their lives seriously. Things of that nature.

Tape is king. Fat slobs have dominated on Sundays for a long time.

If I were a scout, Id be concentrating on late round prospects. Players wherein tape in division III doesnt really get you much. Theres where I would bet on the combine. Selecting a 6th rounder (practice squad if lucky) solely due to his vertical leap is a low risk gamble. After all, the second-best vertical jump in NFL Combine history belongs to our very own Cameron Wake- 45.5 inches. He went un drafted. Wouldve been a coup as a 6th rounder, no?

BSQ said:
No drafting injured players. Enough of that ********.
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This was going to be my post when I was finished reading. You beat me to it.

What was it last year? 3 injured players in the first 3 rounds or was it 2 rounds? Thats ridiculous.

You want to take an exceptional talent that fell due to injury? Do it rounds 5 and up.

Hickey can impress me simply by getting 2 quality rookie starters with the first 2 selections. The bar is low round here.

I've never understood taking players early that you dont expect to start. A fortunate team with a surplus of talent- I understand. And even then you want to draft rookies at 1 & 2 that you expect to give said surplus of talent a proper fight for a starting job.

However, a team such as ours needs to see 2 rookie starters at positions of need. Rounds 1 & 2 cannot be misses, rotating players, an injured player wherein the first season will be a slow build up to 100%. No. Not here. Take that $hit to New England because perennial division championships have that luxury.

We're talking receivers and TEs? Whooaaat? 'You're traveling to another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound, but also of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose bounderies are that of the imagination. At the sign post up ahead, your next stop, the twilight zone.'

If the draft started tomorrow, your first 2 picks are Oline. Sucks? Yeah. Of course. You guys think I dont like sexy? Sexy is my maiden name (not middle that $hit goes maiden when you get tied down). I want sexy time, "Jak sie masz. Wawaweewaa." We cant afford it. BPA? SOL. You want to buy lipstick for this pig? Dont be surprised to still be waddling in **** next year.

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