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Where do you feel Marino ranks among the all-time greats.

I believe he ranks among the greatest of all time.

Watching Brady's career has proved to me that you can't judge quarterbacks by Super Bowl rings. There are so many other factors in play, not just from your team, but from the other team as well.
 
As a passer, IMO he was the best. (As for running, he had to be the worst!)

On a related note, I hated all of the talk that Montana was better than Marino. Montana had the rings because he had a better team to help him. Marino would throw a bullet 50 yards and hit the WR on the numbers (with the defense KNOWING that he was going to throw it). Montana would throw an 8 yard pass to Jerry Rice who would then run for 42 yards. In both instances, the QBs would be credited with a 50 yard pass play, but the stats don't reflect the truth. Overall, Marino earned his passing yardage; Montana did not! (BTW, this is why I hate the West Coast offense, and any other style of dink-and-dunk football.)
 
Marino was the greast of all time. If Marino was playing now under these passing rules, he would throw for 6000+ yards and 60+ TDs. SB rings aren’t a good measure of a QBs greatness. Hell, Trent Dilfer has a ring, does that mean he was better than Marino? If Brady would have played in the 80s, he would have been lucky to have lasted 5 seasons.
 
gofins60 said:
As a passer, IMO he was the best. (As for running, he had to be the worst!)

On a related note, I hated all of the talk that Montana was better than Marino. Montana had the rings because he had a better team to help him. Marino would throw a bullet 50 yards and hit the WR on the numbers (with the defense KNOWING that he was going to throw it). Montana would throw an 8 yard pass to Jerry Rice who would then run for 42 yards. In both instances, the QBs would be credited with a 50 yard pass play, but the stats don't reflect the truth. Overall, Marino earned his passing yardage; Montana did not! (BTW, this is why I hate the West Coast offense, and any other style of dink-and-dunk football.)
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he made not have been able to run but my god he was elusive as hell in the pocket
 
I think he was the best. He put the team on his back every week, every year. Never had a real running back, never had a good defense. Only played w 2 HOF players:

1. Center Dwight Stephenson who had his career cut short by injury in ‘86. So Dan only played w him about 3 years and those years included 3 division titles, a SB appearance and another AFC title game appearance.

2. Jasón Taylor when Dan was in the twighlight of his career.

Imagine he played w the great players Montana played with?

How many comeback victories did Dan lead? A lot. And he did them in the playoffs too. Anyone recall down to Cleveland 20-3 late in the ‘85 playoffs? 16-3 to KC late in the ‘91 games? Heck, in ‘99 a broken Marino somehow led like a 92 yard GW drive for a TD vs Seattle. He was clutch and always raised his game. You couldn’t stop him for an entire game.

Best feet in the pocket you’ll ever see. He was just larger than life out there.
 
dolpns13 said:
Pure pocket passers, Marino by a long shot, I'd say Manning is the second best.

Brady has the pleasure of the refs also helping game by game
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You sound bitter, and would also be made to look like a fool if you brought that point into an argument about Brady not being the GOAT.
 
Joe Montana is the best I've ever seen. I don't think it's particularly complicated. When John Madden was nearing retirement he said on air that Montana was the greatest offensive player during his broadcasting decades, and Lawrence Taylor the greatest defensive player. That was the way I saw it also, and I think it still holds up.

The NFC during that era was an absolute land mine, with great teams and coaches all over the place. Brutally physical defenses. For Montana to do what he did in the same era as the Ditka Bears and Parcells Giants and Gibbs Redskins was beyond remarkable.

Montana was great in 1984 but it was overshadowed by Marino's stats. Then Montana took it to a different level in 1989, the season he routed the Broncos in the Super Bowl. Montana put up some astounding numbers that season, ones that were virtually unprecedented given the rules of that era. The regular season numbers were ridiculous enough then they became even more bizarre in the playoffs, where he didn't throw an interception for the only time in his postseason history and his passer rating was some other wordly number.

I was mostly aware of that at the time but when I started working in that stats office about a decade later the top guy in that office pulled me aside and showed it to me. The numbers were like they were from a different dimension. At least I wagered on the 49ers in those playoffs but I would have upped the ante if I had realized what type of zone Montana was in.

Brady is in the conversation and will likely win the consensus, especially if he wins another title or two into his 40s. That team is so well coached compared to the league norm I have to take it into account. Montana did not enjoy that type of gap.

I was never the biggest Marino fan. Obviously that is not popular around here. Marino would give it up. Following his awesome 1984 season he threw at least 20 interceptions in 4 of the next 5 seasons, and the only exception was the strike shortened season of 1987 with only 12 non-scab games.

Marino's prime was not what it should have been. I remember Bill Walsh struggling to explain it, once he retired from the 49ers and joined NBC as lead analyst. He said on air, "I'd like to think he (Marino) is getting better, but..."

There was a long pause after "but." Walsh never finished the thought. I sensed he knew Marino had declined but didn't want to make waves. Marino should have progressed after 1984, or at least maintained somewhere near that level, but it didn't come close to playing out that way. His YPA was 9.0 in 1984 but not above 7.6 again until 1993. He did finally lower his interception rate later in his career but he wasn't as lethal at that point.
 
zucca said:
Bill Walsh once said " Dan Marino doesn't play in an offensive system. Dan Marino IS an offensive system."
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No, he did not. That was something that was started on a forum and attributed to Bill Walsh, but he never actually said it.
 
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