If we have a really strong offensive line then we can play the qb's we have now.

[juniorseau55]

The steelers did it when Ben was a rookie. Ben wasn't good enough to start in day one but then he started later on in the season and managed to get his team to the playoffs. The coaching staff made a plan to make Ben safe by devicing plays to assist him.

I know we don't have Ben here but if we have a consistent Running Game that is effective and our pass blocking and Run blocking is slightly improved then I am sure we can work something out. We can set an offense to minimise mistakes from our starting qb weather is Lemon or Beck.

Beck is a mature qb but I don't think we should throw him out there all alone. However Lemon has been in this system before so you guys may be surprised of who we play at qb next season.

 

[big fins]

Nothing personal but damn did u think of that all by ur self ???????????
just playing i think ur right !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kinzua]

The steelers did it when Ben was a rookie. Ben wasn't good enough to start in day one but then he started later on in the season and managed to get his team to the playoffs. The coaching staff made a plan to make Ben safe by devicing plays to assist him.

I know we don't have Ben here but if we have a consistent Running Game that is effective and our pass blocking and Run blocking is slightly improved then I am sure we can work something out. We can set an offense to minimise mistakes from our starting qb weather is Lemon or Beck.

Beck is a mature qb but I don't think we should throw him out there all alone. However Lemon has been in this system before so you guys may be surprised of who we play at qb next season.

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

 

[DuderinoN703]

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

Yeah consider it simply and utterly impossible for Miami's OL to get any better. They will forever not be good and will be one the worst in the league.

We get it. Bills suck.

 

[t-dubya]

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

Sorry to totally ignore your message here but I like that, Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker

 

[Tigers2003]

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

We have a OL with problems but a unit that can always get better. Hate to agree with anything a Bills fan have to say but, yes there are concerns on the OL. But, IMHO our FO is doing what it can do address the issue and is making progress. Drafting players with promise like Satele helps. Addition by subtraction by getting rid of duds like Mc Intosh helps. But, the original point was IF we have a strong and improved OL then we can make do with the QBs on the roster.

Well, yes a strong OL most certainly helps it makes the RB position and QB look better. But, the OL can't make the qb make the right decisions under pressure or have good presence in mind in the pocket once protection does break down (and of coure there are times it will no matter how good your OL is).

If you have a smart, well coached, disciplined QB, who can make most of the throws necessary to help drives continue then you can win behind any very good to great OL combined with a strong D like ours. Beck needs to develop quickly of course and bringing in a Green would help in the decision making department. But, this fan's concern is if Green still has enough left in him from a physical aspect. He slipped quit a bit last year. We all know the questions, upside, and downside regarding C-Pep and I won't elaborate due to time and repetition sake.

 

[bigmiamifan]

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

hmm, coming from a shills fan, that must mean you secretly admire our situation and somewhat concerned about your team's chances against this new powerhouse division rival who had proved an easier opponent in past.

That, or you just have no clue concerning what you speak of.

 

[DRNEWBEE]

Lemon nor Beck will start for this team. Its either Culpepper or Green. I'm pulling for Culpepper though, Beck is at least a year away from seeing the field.

 

[late again]

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

Let me take this and run a little bit, because normally you make a lot of sense (when not in the Depths forum). You're assuming that everything will stay the same. You're assuming that the players currently on the roster can't improve and the rookies can't make an impact this year. I think that's an awfully unfair assumption. Quite often it's a matter of altering the style of play to emphasize player strengths and cover up weaknesses.
For that matter, I would think that every Bill fan alive would agree that Mularkey is inept as a football coach. Wouldn't you then assume that better coaching ought to lead to better results? Kin.....your red and blue colors are showing with your post.

 

[paulomac77]

Two reasons Daunte didnt succeed last year; A.) his knee was no where near ready and B.) our line was a joke to start the year, he had someone in his face every time he dropped back I just hope Daunte doesnt listen to any of his critics and comes back hungrier than ever and i think hauck will get the line straightened out before too long

 

[Kyndig]

The problem with your idea is that the Fins don't have "a really strong offensive line". In fact, the Fins don't even have a "decent offensive line". They have a "make-do" offensive line featuring 3 starters from last year (2 in new positions), one first day rookie, and a handful of very modest (talent-wise) FA with some Day 2 projects from the last couple of drafts. With Vernon Carey at LT and LJ Shelton at RT, the Fins' OL is a disaster waiting to happen for any QB playing behind it, and for a rookie -- oh my! :egads: .

Moreover, putting a rookie behind either Hadnot or Satele at center will simply invite teams to put 8 or 9 in the box and effectively stop the Miami running game in its tracks. It's not going to matter if it's Ronnie and Ricky or Brown and Booker -- the Miami line isn't good enough to open holes when the defenders disrespect the team's passing ability.

In truth we don't know what we have yet. The biggest question mark is probably at Right tackle and left to a lesser extent. I personally believe that Vernon Carey should be able to man the Left Tackle position better than Dmac did last year, although it may be a bit rocky for the first couple of games. However, we have virtually no depth behind him at left tackle. Having said that, he has proven to be pretty durable so far so we're probably okay.

Right tackle is our only real question mark on the line IMHO. LJ Shelton proved last year that he's a very good guard, a solid interior lineman. Hiergo, if we can stay healthy, and if LJ can man the right tackle position, then I agree with you, I think we'll be okay.

The primary difference from last year is that we should have more stability at QB, Hopefully Ricky will be back, Hagan will have less drops, Ted Ginn Jr. should give us better starting field position, so overll we should be a better football team than last year.

Within our division the good news is that the Bills appear to have taken a step backwards this offseason, certainly defensively, so we should get out of the cellar and at least be able to compete with the Jets. The Pats on the otherhand are probably another story, but all in all we should be better than last year...

 

[NorFlaFin]

A OL can jel and become an effective run-blocking unit within 4 games. It really takes good players(with attitude), solid coaching, and yes some luck.

Still 4-6 wins would be a successfull season considering a new HC, new QB, and the aging defense.

 

[Bumpus]

A OL can jel and become an effective run-blocking unit within 4 games. It really takes good players(with attitude), solid coaching, and yes some luck.

Still 4-6 wins would be a successfull season considering a new HC, new QB, and the aging defense.

:confused:

Huh? 4-12 or 6-10 is not a successful season any way you slice it.

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BTW, Junior, you might want to change your sig ... he's not on the team anymore.

 

[NorFlaFin]

:confused:

Huh? 4-12 or 6-10 is not a successful season any way you slice it.

It can be, if the team starts executing more crisply,cleanly.
New offense? I fully atleast 3-5 inception due WR running the wrong routes.

 

[MrEd]

The steelers did it when Ben was a rookie. Ben wasn't good enough to start in day one but then he started later on in the season and managed to get his team to the playoffs. The coaching staff made a plan to make Ben safe by devicing plays to assist him.

I know we don't have Ben here but if we have a consistent Running Game that is effective and our pass blocking and Run blocking is slightly improved then I am sure we can work something out. We can set an offense to minimise mistakes from our starting qb weather is Lemon or Beck.

Beck is a mature qb but I don't think we should throw him out there all alone. However Lemon has been in this system before so you guys may be surprised of who we play at qb next season.

Sorry but DC is much better for 2007 than no Lemon or Beck. Like you said with a consistent running game and pass and run blocking being improved...DC can have a hell of a year. stop hatin