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I'm so glad we didn't draft Brees in 2001

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If we had, this fan base would have never given him a chance to succeed.

Consider the following stats with Brees' first two years as a starter in the league (with San Diego) vs. Tannehill's first 2 years



Brees – 2002 (1st year as a starter) - 16 Games, 60.8 Comp. Pct., 3,284 yds., 205.2 yds./game, 17 TDs, 16 INTs, 76.9 QB Rating
2003 (2[SUP]nd[/SUP] year as a starter) – 11 Games, 57.6 Comp. Pct., 2,108 yds., 191.6 yds./game, 11 TDs, 15 INTs, 67.5 QB Rating

Tannehill - 2012 (First year as starter) – 16 Games, 58.3 Comp. Pct., 3,294 yds., 205.9 yds./game, 12 TDs, 13 INTs, 76.1 QB Rating
2013 (Second year as a starter 0 16 Games, 60.4 Comp. Pct., 3,913 yds., 244.6 yds./game, 24 TDs, 17 INTs, 81.7 QB Rating

Also consider that Brees was a 3 year starter at Purdue and sat for an entire season in the NFL before starting in his 2nd year, while Tannehill started for 1 and a half years in college and was a starter in his first year in the NFL. Oh yeah, and Brees also had a Hall of Fame running back in LaDanian Tomlinson at his disposal.

The Chargers even drafted a QB with a Top 5 pick when they still had Brees.

Just a little food for thought. Not all QBs are NFL ready when they enter the league. There is a progression that they must go through. Tannehill obviously improved from year 1 to year 2. If he had regressed instead of progressed, then the Tannehill bashers would have a leg to stand on, but since that's not what happened, then they don't.

The third year is the critical year. That should be the year that Tannehill "gets it". In Brees' third year as a starter, he threw for 27 TDs and just 7 INTs as he led the Chargers to a 12-4 record and a wild card berth.

Patience is a virtue, as is common sense, both of which I seriously question in some posters around here.

Finally, just remember: Dan Marino went 8-8 one year with a Week 17 home loss to a non-playoff Jets team to knock us out of playoff contention. Remember how we did the following year? That's right, 11-5 with a 1st round bye and a home game in the AFC Championship Game.

Here's to a similar follow up season after our most recent 8-8 season :up:
 
Too much knee jerking goes on around here.
 
Having a staff that knows how to use the talent it is given, works wonders too!

"You know, our guy doesn't do this real well, let's have him do this instead."

Am I over thinking this, or what?
 
I don't think Ryan Tannehill is going to be as good as Drew Brees but I think anyone who wants to simply cut bait on him right now after we've spent two years developing him and he's shown improvement and is at least a better than average NFL starter, is nuts.

But that doesn't really matter because I think it's safe to say that he is going to be the Dolphins starting QB next season and that will probably be his make or break year.
 
MarinoEqualsGod said:
If we had, this fan base would have never given him a chance to succeed.
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Umm, the fanbase doesn't make personnel decisions, and regardless Tannehill will have a third season as the starter to show improvement the way that Brees did. So, to summarize, if Brees had been drafted in 2001, and shown the same improvement in year 3 that he did in San Diego, then he would still be here today.

Not sure what your point is? You don't want people to debate about Tannehill, or are you afraid Tannehill has an account here and might get his feelings hurt???
 
NorthernFin said:
Having a staff that knows how to use the talent it is given, works wonders too!

"You know, our guy doesn't do this real well, let's have him do this instead."

Am I over thinking this, or what?
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It never ceases to amaze me how some people have worked in football for 20 plus years, yet can't make obvious adjustments that even the average fan can see. Heck, even my wife who doesn't watch the dolphins much asked me why they run the ball every time RT says go-go. Lol
 
Patrick_Bateman said:
Umm, the fanbase doesn't make personnel decisions, and regardless Tannehill will have a third season as the starter to show improvement the way that Brees did. So, to summarize, if Brees had been drafted in 2001, and shown the same improvement in year 3 that he did in San Diego, then he would still be here today.

Not sure what your point is? You don't want people to debate about Tannehill, or are you afraid Tannehill has an account here and might get his feelings hurt???
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I thought it was obvious that the headline was hyperbole. I just get tired of people giving up on the kid after 2 years
 
For the record, what happened with Brees was more like this:

Year one: rode bench.
Year two: started, wasn't asked to do much, was serviceable.
Year three: started, had a worse team, was asked to do more, struggled. He was benched for Doug Flutie at one point.
San Diego drafts Rivers
Year four: it clicks.

And again, I'm not saying that Ryan Tannehill will even come close to being Drew Brees, but there are a lot of similiarities in how their first couple of years starting played out. I actually think you can look at more recent players like Cam Newton and Jake Locker who got MUCH better in year three and be hopeful that this is not some isolated incident. You can look at Alex Smith, who has improved dramatically with a better team and coaching around him through his career and feel some optimism.

By the way, LaDanian Tomlison had over 3,300 yards rushing in Brees' first two years starting. The team's record was 12-20.
 
Ugh. I'm still all for Tannehill, but now I feel this is the exact same example people used for Henne. Brees had a tremendous college career and showed a lot of promise that first year as a starter. That second year when he had a rough start, they couldn't resist starting Flutie. You cannot make a direct example between the two. Ryan's going to get his 3rd year as a starter, but he won't get a 4th if he doesn't make a Breesian type leap forward.
 
My frigging goodness. Why is anybody comparing Tannehill to anybody?
Always selectively picking a pro-bowler who had mediocre stats over a decade ago. How about you stay closer to home and take our last starting QB? That is a much better comparison (if you need to make a comparison).

And if we go by stats how about the first year of Henne
Henne: 274 - 451; 2878 yards; 61%; 12 TDs; 14 INTs; QBR 75
T-Hill: 282 - 484; 3294 yards; 58%; 12TDs; 13 INTs; QBR 76

Eery similar....
 
I make this comparison when it comes to Tanny's development all the time. Not to say the 2 compare but it's just a sound example of what a kid with his skill set can do when given the time. It doesn't help that you have QBs all around the league stepping right in and performing at a high level. Which didn't really happen as much when brees got in. I honestly believe RT needs to cut ties with Sherman and get into a system more suited for him.
 
phins_4_ever said:
My frigging goodness. Why is anybody comparing Tannehill to anybody?
Always selectively picking a pro-bowler who had mediocre stats over a decade ago. How about you stay closer to home and take our last starting QB? That is a much better comparison (if you need to make a comparison).

And if we go by stats how about the first year of Henne
Henne: 274 - 451; 2878 yards; 61%; 12 TDs; 14 INTs; QBR 75
T-Hill: 282 - 484; 3294 yards; 58%; 12TDs; 13 INTs; QBR 76

Eery similar....
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Oooo ooo now do the 2nd year stats!
 
MarinoEqualsGod said:
I thought it was obvious that the headline was hyperbole. I just get tired of people giving up on the kid after 2 years
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Fair enough, he'll get his chance to shine its up to him and whomever is on the coaching staff to make those improvements though. At the end of the day, guys like Brady and Brees didn't give a **** about what the fans thought, they just manned up and put in the work and proved the doubters wrong. I personally had MANY pats fans with me during the Pats first superbowl run and they were screaming at the top of their lungs to put Bledsoe back in LOL, not to mention the San Diego folks that were ready to throw Brees in the Pacific Ocean.

My point is that people will calm down when they see dramatic improvement at the QB position, when you've had complete and utter garbage at the position for a decade and a half people get sick of watching the same ole crap, right now opinion on Tannehill is and should be divided. He has played well at times, and other times has played very poorly, season 3 should provide some more definitive answers.
 
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