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Incognito/Martin Saga: All So Unnecessary

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update: You can watch the whole Incognito/Glazer interview here: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...-transcript-111013?cmpid=tsmtw:fscom:NFLonFOX

This whole Martin and Incognito saga really serves no one well. This is something that could have been handled internally and been avoided. Responsibility has to put on both men for getting the Dolphins franchise to this point. The biggest thing that came out of the FOX interview with Glazer and Incognito were the texts. They there were supposedly 1,142 of them and they will help to add context to Martin and Incognito's relationship. It won't be the end all on this who saga, but it is another piece evidence. These are the excerpts from that interview that stick out most to me:

"I didn't know it was hurting him. i can't sit here and tell you who overreacted I can just be accountable for my actions"
"This isn't an issue about bullying. This is an issue of mine and Jon's relationship where I've taken stuff too far"
"That voice mail was left on a private voice mail for my friend that was a joke."
"As the leader, as his best friend on the team, that's what has me miffed, how I missed this. I never saw it coming."
"Right now I'd give him a hug, say why didn't you come to me? How did it get to this?"

Incognito came off very sincere in his interview and said many of the right things. Just keep in mind he obviously had some coaching when it came to answering these questions and Glazer didn't ask him any real hard questions, but still it gives us an insight into how shocked Richie really is. I cannot condone the use of the N-word by Incognito, but I can understand how men talk to one another when they are with friends. So who are we to judge what is vulgar and what is not when it stays within that circle. The fact is if Martin was really offended by it's use, he should have stepped up and made it known. That is how these kind of situations need to be handled. Step up and speak up for yourself. That would have gone a long way in this whole saga if Martin had done this much much earlier.

I fear this whole mess is a long ways from over and this saga will go on to change the NFL locker room and its culture and whether that is a good thing or bad thing is yet to be seen. Bottom line for me is both Incognito and Martin share the responsibility of what has transpired. It is all so totally unnecessary and this is one of the cases where I think the NFL media and football fans wish could have been addressed internally. For now, we must wait for more facts to come out and let the NFL investigation be completed before we go and publicly scorn either side. If one good thing can come for this as Dolphins fans, it would be that GM Jeff Ireland has a role in the culture that built in the Dolphins organization and I hope he pays for that culture with his job.
 
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What made it unnecessary was Martin. Grown men handle issues between each other. I don't think this was an issue between Cog and Martina though- it was an issue with Martina's inability to cope with the stress of the NFL. People deal with stress in work all the time - nfl is higher stress. He couldn't cope - he walked out on his team. He is the unnecessary part.
 
What made it unnecessary was Martin. Grown men handle issues between each other. I don't think this was an issue between Cog and Martina though- it was an issue with Martina's inability to cope with the stress of the NFL. People deal with stress in work all the time - nfl is higher stress. He couldn't cope - he walked out on his team. He is the unnecessary part.

I agree.

I really think Martin needed to speak up for himself. If there is no evidence that ever surfaces that he tried asking anyone for help, then the responsibility for this mess should be put on Martin.
 
I have said this so many times..he knew after last year that he was not cut out for being an NFL player. This whole incident was planned in the off season by his parents. I believe they manipulated their son as well.
 
I have said this so many times..he knew after last year that he was not cut out for being an NFL player. This whole incident was planned in the off season by his parents. I believe they manipulated their son as well.

That wouldn't surprise me at all. They are very educated and most likely tool everything that happens inside an NFL locker room out of context.
They are very well educated and have many professional ties that would help them in situations like this.
 
The thing is, either you're friends or you're not, and either you use the N word with each other freely or you don't, and either you hurt him or you didn't, and either you're talking to him now or you're not,....there's no gray area with any of that. And yet, it's not entirely clear.

When Glaser ask him if Martin over-reacted to the voicemail, Incognito says he doesn't know. Why not? I thought they talked to each other all the time this way and there are 1,000 texts like this. If that's the case, that's what Incognito should say, that it's normal, no his friend wasn't offended, and that he had called him and asked him about it and he's fine with it.

The only evidence Incognito has to show Martin is fine with him, are those texts we were already told about. The ones 3 days after he left, and Incognito asked for the retraction after that. But then, it blew up. Why? If these 2 people were fine with each other, then why did it blow up? Obviously Team Martin wanted to show that Martin in fact did feel bullied, and Incognito was the main culprit. Unless Martin comes out and says no, Incognito did not bully me, then we can only assume that remains his stance.

So, it is, what it is, unless Martin issues a retraction.
 
Nice video and I believe him, especially the part about being judged by all the wrong things.

You can make 106 field goals, but they always remember the ones you missed.

d-1
 
Nice video and I believe him, especially the part about being judged by all the wrong things.

You can make 106 field goals, but they always remember the ones you missed.

d-1

Your perception is based on your actions. So Richie has a bad perception because of his past. The real issue is Jonathan and Martin's relationship. I agree with you on that.

As for the FG analogy, Incogntio is more like 106 makes and 106 misses ha ha.

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It really sucks, it's obviously an issue where Jon Martin quite simply couldn't hack it, but unfortunately since the media blew this up the Dolphins will have to suffer so the NFL can save face, it sucks
 
It really sucks, it's obviously an issue where Jon Martin quite simply couldn't hack it, but unfortunately since the media blew this up the Dolphins will have to suffer so the NFL can save face, it sucks

That's how it appears so far. I just hope more scandalous info doesn't leak to hurt the Dolphins organization.

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