Interesting take on brown and cadillac by cnnsi banks

[downfield]

. Instant analysis is a sign of the times, but I'm always hesitant to take too firm a stand based on limited early-season results. Somehow I don't feel the same compulsion for equivocation in pointing out that Tampa Bay rookie Carnell Williams (drafted No. 5) should never have gone below his fellow Auburn running back Ronnie Brown (No. 2) in last April's draft.

It happens almost every year. Though Williams had been the Tigers' starting tailback and leading rusher, Brown leap-frogged him based on his exceptional workout numbers at the Scouting Combine.

College production versus pro potential. It's an old debate.But after two weeks, with Williams leading the NFL in rushing and proving to be an instant playmaker, and Brown averaging 2.7 yards per carry, score another one for past production.




I know its early, Banks admits it too, but Brown does look sluggish hitting the hole and that is my concern. I sure hope he starts to plow through some folks, at least show me some power.

 

[Phin-o-rama]

i'm not bashing, but i failed to find this interesting

 

[Shouright]

Exactly. If Ronnie had run .056 seconds slower at the combine (4.50 instead of 4.44), Cadillac would've been chosen about 20 or 30 spots above him. I think Saban may have actually WANTED Cadillac in a trade down, but when we couldn't trade down I think he wanted to set the precedent in the league (in his first draft) that we'd take the BPA on most teams' boards if no one would trade down with us.

But in fairness to Ronnie, some of his tentativeness may have to do with this. He knew we were desperately trying to trade down (I'm sure he read the papers about our lie to Braylon Edwards, while we were on the CLOCK, no less), and he may be trying too hard to prove his worth and playing not to make mistakes rather than with sureness and authority.

 

[finfan54]

i think people got all in a froth over times and all the BS that proves nothing about whether you can play football or not. I could see it with my own eyes, Caddy was a playmaker and RB was a power runner. I do not know why people cant see it. Its obviously right before your eyes! RB is power and smash and Caddy is smooth and gliding in the open field.

I still support RB. He is our guy, thats it.

 

[Shouright]

i think people got all in a froth over times and all the BS that proves nothing about whether you can play football or not. I could see it with my own eyes, Caddy was a playmaker and RB was a power runner. I do not know why people cant see it. Its obviously right before your eyes! RB is power and smash and Caddy is smooth and gliding in the open field.

I still support RB. He is our guy, thats it.

So then let's tack 15 pounds on Ronnie and make him Ricky's blocking back.

 

[ajajaj]

. Instant analysis is a sign of the times, but I'm always hesitant to take too firm a stand based on limited early-season results. Somehow I don't feel the same compulsion for equivocation in pointing out that Tampa Bay rookie Carnell Williams (drafted No. 5) should never have gone below his fellow Auburn running back Ronnie Brown (No. 2) in last April's draft.

It happens almost every year. Though Williams had been the Tigers' starting tailback and leading rusher, Brown leap-frogged him based on his exceptional workout numbers at the Scouting Combine.

College production versus pro potential. It's an old debate.But after two weeks, with Williams leading the NFL in rushing and proving to be an instant playmaker, and Brown averaging 2.7 yards per carry, score another one for past production.




I know its early, Banks admits it too, but Brown does look sluggish hitting the hole and that is my concern. I sure hope he starts to plow through some folks, at least show me some power.

dude, have you said something different than the 350 posts responding to the nearly identical thread all ready started on this debate.


POST THIS THEIR!!!:shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:

 

[DPlus47]

heath evans compared ronnie to shaun alexander, who used to dance too much. but i'm sure evans doesn't know what he's talking about, since he only played with the guy. he probably isn't even a finheaven member.

 

[rebel4life]

both these runningbacks have there good points i think yall amde the right choice with ronnie

 

[tcdrover]

i think people got all in a froth over times and all the BS that proves nothing about whether you can play football or not. I could see it with my own eyes, Caddy was a playmaker and RB was a power runner. I do not know why people cant see it. Its obviously right before your eyes! RB is power and smash and Caddy is smooth and gliding in the open field.

I still support RB. He is our guy, thats it.

Yeah, I agree 100%.

When I watched the 1st Buc game highlights I could see right away why they call him cadillac. He runs smooth & fluid kind of like Marcus used to but with more power. I'll be watching all the Buc games whenever possible now. (When they don't conflict with the fins or steelers)...

I think RB will be fine, after Ricky returns and he has to play behind him for a while. He will be fresh for the 2nd half of the season and he should be much more confident as well...

 

[Roman529]

Does anyone mention that Ronnie is running behind a rag-tag line that Saban has had to piece together while Tampa has an experienced line?

 

[sports24/7]

Exactly. If Ronnie had run .056 seconds slower at the combine (4.50 instead of 4.44), Cadillac would've been chosen about 20 or 30 spots above him.

I think thats way off. A smart guy like Saban would not chose a guy that high because he runs a 4.4 opposed to a 4.5. Saban had seen plenty of both of them in college and it would seem stupid to me to throw out all that past knowledge of the two just because he ran a good 40. I think the notion that his good workout is the only reason he went that high is just not true. There was talk before the combine even started that Brown might be the better Pro back. Many many people though this. I would guess that just about every team in the NFL had Brown rated as the #1 back going into the draft and some had him as the best player overall. That can't solely be based on his workouts, scouts get payed way to much money to watch these players entire college career. It is still way to early to be passing judgement on either guy. I think both will end up being very good players, but they will have alot more running to do before they are given a final label as good or bad.

 

[Phin-o-rama]

maybe a ricky + ronnie combo > than a ricky + caddy combo......

 

[downfield]

dude, have you said something different than the 350 posts responding to the nearly identical thread all ready started on this debate.


POST THIS THEIR!!!:shakeno: :shakeno: :shakeno:

Whatever man, this ain't the same crap and I am not ranting. This is from someone who knows a hell of a lot more about the NFL than you do, so pipe down before I ..... smack you around little boy!

I just wanted to post this in case someone hadn't read it.

Frankly, I don't want RB to be a bust, but alot of folks appear to be thinking he might be. We shall see if Saban made a mistake, I hope not.

 

[Oboy]

Guys, when I was at lunch today the NFL network was breaking down a few plays that really shows the difference between the two... Blitz pick up. Caddy just missed two blitzers that killed Griese. Luckily he had already thrown the ball, but dangerous none the less. On the same spot they were highlighting the holes Caddy had to run through, MY GOODNESS they were huge. One of which was hashmark to hashmark!!!

In short, be patient fellow fin fans. Ronnie has not had the chance to show anything yet. He has done well in blitz pick up. He does need to hit the hole quicker, but I stress hit the "HOLE". There has not been too many holes for him to hit in the first two games. Let's let our oline get better and see where Ronnie is before we bash him any more.

 

[Shouright]

I think thats way off. A smart guy like Saban would not chose a guy that high because he runs a 4.4 opposed to a 4.5. Saban had seen plenty of both of them in college and it would seem stupid to me to throw out all that past knowledge of the two just because he ran a good 40. I think the notion that his good workout is the only reason he went that high is just not true. There was talk before the combine even started that Brown might be the better Pro back. Many many people though this. I would guess that just about every team in the NFL had Brown rated as the #1 back going into the draft and some had him as the best player overall. That can't solely be based on his workouts, scouts get payed way to much money to watch these players entire college career. It is still way to early to be passing judgement on either guy. I think both will end up being very good players, but they will have alot more running to do before they are given a final label as good or bad.

Good points -- you reminded me that those things were indeed said about him before the combine.