Interesting Tannehill Stat Comparison

[So Be]

This year RT is 300 of 484, 3315 yds, 6.8 avg, 229 yds per game, 20 TD's, 14 Ints, and an 84 rating.

Last year RT was 282 of 484, 3294 yds, 6.8 avg, 191 yds per game. 12 TD's. 13 Ints, and a 76 rating.

So, on the exact same number of throws, he has completed 18 more passes for 21 more yards, one less pick but, 8 more TD's. He was sacked 13 more times.

This year, we have run 291 for 1245 yds, 4.3 avg, 8 TD's, 96 yds a game, and 54 first downs.

Last year, the team ran 440 for 1802 yds, 4.1 avg, 15 TD's, 113 yds a game, and 93 first downs.

Better receivers, worse blocking and running. Imagine what we could do with both being good.


*stats from ESPN

 

[Shouright]

The determination that the blocking is worse based on sacks alone is too simplistic in my opinion. The blocking may in fact be worse, but it needs to be determined via a more sophisticated analysis.

Also, Tannehill's performance game-to-game this year is uncorrelated with the team's running game variables, so the contextual conclusion made above isn't warranted based on the data there alone in my opinion.

The concerning thing in the data, on the other hand, is that it could be that the difference in Tannehill's QB rating this year is largely a product of his having thrown touchdown passes that were instead touchdown runs last year. That could reflect a difference in play-calling in the red zone, it could simply be a random occurrence, or it could reflect an improvement in his ability. We can't know that for certain.

Although his touchdown passes are obviously not a bad thing in themselves, I'd prefer that an increase in his QB rating be attributable to an increase in his YPA, rather than to a "substitution" of touchdowns from runs to passes. I'd rather see him marching the team down the field efficiently with a stellar YPA, which would likely lead to an increase in both touchdown runs and passes.

His YPA needs to improve. Over the last six games it's 6.9, so hopefully he's getting there.

 

[FSU Truth]

The determination that the blocking is worse based on sacks alone is too simplistic in my opinion. The blocking may in fact be worse, but it needs to be determined via a more sophisticated analysis.

Also, Tannehill's performance game-to-game this year is uncorrelated with the team's running game variables, so the contextual conclusion made above isn't warranted based on the data there alone in my opinion.

The concerning thing in the data, on the other hand, is that it could be that the difference in Tannehill's QB rating this year is largely a product of his having thrown touchdown passes that were instead touchdown runs last year. That could reflect a difference in play-calling in the red zone, it could simply be a random occurrence, or it could reflect an improvement in his ability. We can't know that for certain.

Although his touchdown passes are obviously not a bad thing in themselves, I'd prefer that an increase in his QB rating be attributable to an increase in his YPA, rather than to a "substitution" of touchdowns from runs to passes. I'd rather see him marching the team down the field efficiently with a stellar YPA, which would likely lead to an increase in both touchdown runs and passes.

His YPA needs to improve. Over the last six games it's 6.9, so hopefully he's getting there.

 

[FinHopeful]

Ryan is the first QB in a long time to be able to consistently throw for TDs in the red zone. Everyone should be excited by this. Having concerns that passing TDs have replaced rushing TDsdoes not make sense. The low YPA seems to be the inevitable consequence of so many sacks. The shorter drops and quicker passes tend to have lower YPA. There are a number of things where Ryan could improve his game, but I am not worried about his ability to push the ball down the field.

 

[So Be]

The determination that the blocking is worse based on sacks alone is too simplistic in my opinion. The blocking may in fact be worse, but it needs to be determined via a more sophisticated analysis.

Also, Tannehill's performance game-to-game this year is uncorrelated with the team's running game variables, so the contextual conclusion made above isn't warranted based on the data there alone in my opinion.

The concerning thing in the data, on the other hand, is that it could be that the difference in Tannehill's QB rating this year is largely a product of his having thrown touchdown passes that were instead touchdown runs last year. That could reflect a difference in play-calling in the red zone, it could simply be a random occurrence, or it could reflect an improvement in his ability. We can't know that for certain.

Although his touchdown passes are obviously not a bad thing in themselves, I'd prefer that an increase in his QB rating be attributable to an increase in his YPA, rather than to a "substitution" of touchdowns from runs to passes. I'd rather see him marching the team down the field efficiently with a stellar YPA, which would likely lead to an increase in both touchdown runs and passes.

His YPA needs to improve. Over the last six games it's 6.9, so hopefully he's getting there.

I said that the running and blocking were worse, and nothing based on sacks alone. This is something that Stevie Wonder can see, and without any further data. Also, saying that the running game is not connected with RT's performance is silly, again without any further data needed.

 

[HoneyB]

This year RT is 20 TD's
This year, we have run for 8 TD's

Last year RT was 12 TD's
Last year, the team ran for 15 TD's

This stat is all that matters. Last year we had 27 TD's. This year, with a more experienced QB and more firepower, we have 28 TD's. Also, according to your numbers we had over 5K total yards last year, and around 4600 this year. This is why we lost so many games in a row, and this is why we're struggling to get into the playoffs.

If you're Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman, I don't see how you can be patting yourself on the back for that. They need to work on a lot of things in year 3. We need a better running game and more consistent red zone play and make more 3rd downs. Tanny also has to show more in year 3.

 

[FSU Truth]

This stat is all that matters. Last year we had 27 TD's. This year, with a more experienced QB and more firepower, we have 28 TD's. Also, according to your numbers we had over 5K total yards last year, and around 4600 this year. This is why we lost so many games in a row, and this is why we're struggling to get into the playoffs.

If you're Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman, I don't see how you can be patting yourself on the back for that. They need to work on a lot of things in year 3. We need a better running game and more consistent red zone play and make more 3rd downs. Tanny also has to show more in year 3.

The Dolphins still have 3 more games this year....

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

The Dolphins still have 3 more games this year....

I was thinking the same thing... some people just don't want to admit that the offense has improved.

 

[HoneyB]

Having concerns that passing TDs have replaced rushing TDs does not make sense.

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We have the RB the coaches wanted, we have more firepower and thus more play options (and playmakers), so what should have happened is both run and pass TD's should have increased.

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The Dolphins still have 3 more games this year....

Yes, and we had "three more games" last year too...so you'd have to add those stats in. Apples to Apples.

 

[Shouright]

I said that the running and blocking were worse, and nothing based on sacks alone. This is something that Stevie Wonder can see, and without any further data.

Well then by all means, let's confirm our perceptions with objective data. Given their incontrovertibility, it should be only too easy to do, correct? :)

Also, saying that the running game is not connected with RT's performance is silly, again without any further data needed.

Correlate the running game variables (rushing attempts, yards, and yards per carry) with QB rating and YPA, game to game, and see what you come up with. You should find that as the running game improves, so does Tannehill's performance, and vice-versa, correct? See if that happens for you. :)

 

[FinfanInBuffalo]

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We have the RB the coaches wanted, we have more firepower and thus more play options (and playmakers), so what should have happened is both run and pass TD's should have increased.

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Yes, and we had "three more games" last year too...so you'd have to add those stats in. Apples to Apples.

WTF?

Unless we score ZERO TDs in the final quarter of the season, we WILL have more TDs this season. At our current pace, we will score roughly 25% more TDs.

 

[So Be]

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We have the RB the coaches wanted, we have more firepower and thus more play options (and playmakers), so what should have happened is both run and pass TD's should have increased.

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Yes, and we had "three more games" last year too...so you'd have to add those stats in. Apples to Apples.

I should have added that last year's stats were for the full 16 games vs the 13 this year. The pass attempts are identical but, we had 149 more run snaps last year.

 

[Shouright]

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We have the RB the coaches wanted, we have more firepower and thus more play options (and playmakers), so what should have happened is both run and pass TD's should have increased.

Precisely. Scoring is up four points a game from last year, which is less than would be predicted by the increase in Tannehill's QB rating.

Also, see here for a perspective on his adjusted net yards per pass attempt, which is actually lower this year than last year:

http://www.footballperspective.com/2012-rearview-adjusted-net-yards-per-attempt/

 

[Daytona Fin]

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We averaged 18 points a game last year, this year we are at 22 and the offense is getting better week by week.

 

[FSU Truth]

It makes sense to me, because the overall number of TD's have not gone up. Swapping passes for runs doesn't matter, if you're not making more trips to the red zone, or once there, not scoring.

We have the RB the coaches wanted, we have more firepower and thus more play options (and playmakers), so what should have happened is both run and pass TD's should have increased.

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Yes, and we had "three more games" last year too...so you'd have to add those stats in. Apples to Apples.

You do realize that that stat comparison is based on 16 games in 2013 and 13 games in 2013....

So as of right now....the Dolphins have one more TD then 2012 with three less games.