Is Frerotte here to groom

[dlockz]

For those that feel that Frerotte was chosen to groom, which he possibly could be. Ponder this.


If this was the case we should have drafted or acquired a QB this year. Why would we waste a year of development since Gus has already played 12 years?
Okay many say we draft a guy for this system this year for him to groom since we will not start a rookie. Okay since we are at worse a .500 team we will not have much chance to draft an elite QB. Okay so since we are drafting as possible project, How many of these guys are ready to play in a year? The majority of them are not, so then we may have longer to wait which seems more than likely. So then Frerotte is our starter for a possible three years. Does anyone on this board actually think that is a wise plan since there are no guarantees. I see way too many wholes in this theory. I think we ended up with Frerotte as a starter but the groom theory does not make sense with nobody to groom already here. Saban knows the NFL so he knows there is no magic number of years for a rookie to sit and learn. I think we truly assume too much in the presence of no real evidence. Could this turn out to be the scenario(Anything can happen in an everchanging game but I doubt a coach as good as Saban really is planning that especially with our draft position.)

So there goes my theory we were stuck with Frerotte as QB basically because he did not realize Feeley would look so bad. I think those that think that we will not try to upgrade Qb if a good free agent is available will be wrong and I'm sure one better than Frerotte should not be hard to find.
If someone believes the scenario of Frerotte, name an example of some other team doing that. The Qb has to be as bad as Frerotte and Cinncy might not count because did they really know they were going to be that bad or did they think Kitna was the answer when they acquired him? Plus he had been the starter for two years before they drafted Palmer and had been a starter for three years before that In seattle and was only about 28 at time of acquisition.

Go as far as to say whom we acquire and draft and do you really think they will be ready in one year or are you satisfied with Frerotte for as long as it takes(weird for a stopgap)

I'm asking for serious replies. I think have asked legitimate questions?

 

[adamprez2003]

This is the one area I have disagreed with Saban the entire year. Since the season is coming to a close I can only hope he brings in someone who actually resembles an average starting quarterback or better. I still believe we would've been better off record wise if we had started Sage or AJ the entire year or drafted Charlie Frye in the second round. It's beyond me why he chose to go with Gus so the best theory I was able to come up with is he wanted someone who knew the offense at the QB position until the rest of the team figured out how to play in it. That and as a defensive coordinator he has a defensive coordinators reluctance to put in QBs who might make mistakes. He wants mistake free ball control offense. But what's done is done and its all in the past and we have a new season ahead of us. Who he picks for us next year whether through the draft, free agency or trade will determine his success in Miami. The right choice and we're two years away from challenging for a SuperBowl, the wrong choice and his coaching days here will probably be limited. My hope is that if its free agency we go after Arizona's McCown, if its trade Rivers, if its draft Cutler, Pinnegar or Gradkowski. Who knows. Quarterback is the one position I dont get what Saban is trying to do

 

[dlockz]

Well according to sources on this board which describle a Saban QB Pinnager is not the right fit for our scheme since he does not have a cannon for an arm. Although I would love to get Pinnager and think he can make all the necessary throws.


Schemwise because of mobilty and possible arm strength although I hear all kinds of comments his arm may not be the so called cannon needed for this Linaman offense. I am referring to the top rated Qb so far in this draft. It would seem that Vince Young might be the best pick schemewise.

 

[Al13]

pinegar is an interception machine

 

[SCall13]

Well according to sources on this board which describle a Saban QB Pinnager is not the right fit for our scheme since he does not have a cannon for an arm. Although I would love to get Pinnager and think he can make all the necessary throws.


Schemwise because of mobilty and possible arm strength although I hear all kinds of comments his arm may not be the so called cannon needed for this Linaman offense. I am referring to the top rated Qb so far in this draft. It would seem that Vince Young might be the best pick schemewise.

Gus has a very strong arm. His weakness is his inaccuracy.

 

[adamprez2003]

Well according to sources on this board which describle a Saban QB Pinnager is not the right fit for our scheme since he does not have a cannon for an arm. Although I would love to get Pinnager and think he can make all the necessary throws.


Schemwise because of mobilty and possible arm strength although I hear all kinds of comments his arm may not be the so called cannon needed for this Linaman offense. I am referring to the top rated Qb so far in this draft. It would seem that Vince Young might be the best pick schemewise.

I'm not sold on Young. Every time I see him his receivers are wide open. High school QBs could hit those receivers. The USC game should be a great test for him. What I want to see is if he's capable of hitting a receiver in stride when the receiver only has a step on his man which is what's required in the NFL.

 

[dlockz]

Gus has a very strong arm. His weakness is his inaccuracy.

I never disagreed that Gus has astrong arm. Touch and accuracy are the keys to his mediocrity.

 

[dlockz]

I'm not sold on Young. Every time I see him his receivers are wide open. High school QBs could hit those receivers. The USC game should be a great test for him. What I want to see is if he's capable of hitting a receiver in stride when the receiver only has a step on his man which is what's required in the NFL.

I was saying supposed scheme wise he would be the best prospect on paper. I think he is pretty good. I have seen some micks him going top 5 but its way too early.

 

[adamprez2003]

I was saying supposed scheme wise he would be the best prospect on paper. I think he is pretty good. I have seen some micks him going top 5 but its way too early.

I'm not writing him off because I havent seen enough of him to make a valued judgement. I just have concerns about him, mainly the ability to rope a throw into tight coverage. I don't want him if he can't do that consistently

 

[BlueFin]

I believe Saban would have drafted a QB last year if the right QB had been there and fit the situation. He did say they considered some QB's in round 4.

I believe we will draft the QB of the future this year and I feel it will be Jay Cutler, he has the gun this offense covets and he is a baller.

 

[finfan54]

didnt we acquire Lemon? didnt anyone hear Mueller say that we may draft more than one qb?

and gus has not been inaccurate lately. all the gus fus is about is that he is not sexy. He is not a big name and he is a journeyman. That is the real reason. If a rookie comes in and is largely inaccurate, do you say he is just inacurate? things progress and evolve. I guess none of you have not noticed that lately.

 

[finfan54]

For those that feel that Frerotte was chosen to groom, which he possibly could be. Ponder this.


If this was the case we should have drafted or acquired a QB this year. Why would we waste a year of development since Gus has already played 12 years?
Okay many say we draft a guy for this system this year for him to groom since we will not start a rookie. Okay since we are at worse a .500 team we will not have much chance to draft an elite QB. Okay so since we are drafting as possible project, How many of these guys are ready to play in a year? The majority of them are not, so then we may have longer to wait which seems more than likely. So then Frerotte is our starter for a possible three years. Does anyone on this board actually think that is a wise plan since there are no guarantees. I see way too many wholes in this theory. I think we ended up with Frerotte as a starter but the groom theory does not make sense with nobody to groom already here. Saban knows the NFL so he knows there is no magic number of years for a rookie to sit and learn. I think we truly assume too much in the presence of no real evidence. Could this turn out to be the scenario(Anything can happen in an everchanging game but I doubt a coach as good as Saban really is planning that especially with our draft position.)

So there goes my theory we were stuck with Frerotte as QB basically because he did not realize Feeley would look so bad. I think those that think that we will not try to upgrade Qb if a good free agent is available will be wrong and I'm sure one better than Frerotte should not be hard to find.
If someone believes the scenario of Frerotte, name an example of some other team doing that. The Qb has to be as bad as Frerotte and Cinncy might not count because did they really know they were going to be that bad or did they think Kitna was the answer when they acquired him? Plus he had been the starter for two years before they drafted Palmer and had been a starter for three years before that In seattle and was only about 28 at time of acquisition.

Go as far as to say whom we acquire and draft and do you really think they will be ready in one year or are you satisfied with Frerotte for as long as it takes(weird for a stopgap)

I'm asking for serious replies. I think have asked legitimate questions?

Its real simple. Linehan brought him here. Gus knows the offense. Saban gave Linehan the keys. Gus has come a long way since the beginning. 8-8 and 9-7 is a huge improvement. But This is a team game. Its not all about Gus. QB position will be addressed in the offseason but do not think that it will be instant gratification to the postion and you may very well have to look at Gus as starting the season next year. So it will be fun watching all the same whiners and moaners on here not knowing how the hell to build a long term winning franchise.

 

[dlockz]

didnt we acquire Lemon? didnt anyone hear Mueller say that we may draft more than one qb?

and gus has not been inaccurate lately. all the gus fus is about is that he is not sexy. He is not a big name and he is a journeyman. That is the real reason. If a rookie comes in and is largely inaccurate, do you say he is just inacurate? things progress and evolve. I guess none of you have not noticed that lately.

well lets define accuracy
last game vs Jets 8 of 16 1 td 1 int and we were losing(not accurate)
Sd game 14 of 22 2 tds now that is accurate
Buff Game 12 of 28 o tds o int and losing badly (not accurate)
Oak 18 of 31 2 td 1 int (accurate)
Cleveland 4 of 18 (not accurate)
Accuracy for the year 51.5 %
okay I think these are last 5 games which matter alot because 4 of our 7 wins have came during this stretch If you study his stats he starts off the most accurate in the first halfand regresses in second at least statisicallly percentage wise 56 % 1st 52% 2nd 3rd 48.4 % and in fourth 48.7 %.

When we win he has a Qb rating of slightly over 80 and when we lose a rating of about 60% just another indicater to me that a better Qb would yield better results,

 

[dlockz]

Its real simple. Linehan brought him here. Gus knows the offense. Saban gave Linehan the keys. Gus has come a long way since the beginning. 8-8 and 9-7 is a huge improvement. But This is a team game. Its not all about Gus. QB position will be addressed in the offseason but do not think that it will be instant gratification to the postion and you may very well have to look at Gus as starting the season next year. So it will be fun watching all the same whiners and moaners on here not knowing how the hell to build a long term winning franchise.

Gus looked great in the first game and I was behind him since then he has rarely played at that level. I'm not debating that Saban knows how to build a franchise because hopefully he does. My issue is I don't think his plan was to have Frerotte start, it just happened that way maybe due toi Feeley being awful or a draft pick going too soon. can anyone think of a franchise that was successful bringing a career backup that no one wanted in to be the Qb and then draft a player the next year for him to groom. especially a vet of 12 years. If we draft a guy then he probably will not be ready for beyond a year. Its rare for a lower drafted Qb to become a starter in one year without injury happening to force it. I cannot think of any franchise that put that theory to a test and was successful. I am not saying a franchise that already had an existing starter I am saying brought in a career backup. I very much doubt this was Saban's model. Frerotte just happens to be the starting QB and if we can upgrade, Im sure we will.

We had neither runningback last year and switched our entire oline. Did any of us expect a good result without Ricky. Our team was considered a solid contender before Ricky retired so don't act like Saban inherited garbage( some he did but we had some good players on this team)

 

[thedayafter]

Its real simple. Linehan brought him here. Gus knows the offense. Saban gave Linehan the keys. Gus has come a long way since the beginning. 8-8 and 9-7 is a huge improvement. But This is a team game. Its not all about Gus. QB position will be addressed in the offseason but do not think that it will be instant gratification to the postion and you may very well have to look at Gus as starting the season next year. So it will be fun watching all the same whiners and moaners on here not knowing how the hell to build a long term winning franchise.

Finally a VOR... Voice of Reason

• It takes time for NFL caliber QB's to develop.... there wasn't a pick in weak draft class worthy of one of our 6 picks.
• Too many are under the assumption the NFL QB job is an easy one and you can just plug a guy in... nothing is further from the truth... and yes there are RARE exceptions.
• At least we have people in place that know QB talent (Mueller and Saban) and can beat the bushes for their type of player.
• Have some patience.