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Is it Possible for a Team to Lie?

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As we sit at #5 spot, and a team above us calls asking us to ante up for a trade up.....is it even possible that they could say “team X is offering us Y for our pick”, if that’s not the case?

Can we be baited to trade up if a team chooses to outright lie? Such a move would send shockwaves through the NFL when the dust settles and the truth came to light.

Could this happen?

Has anyone here ever heard of an event like this?

Thoughts....
 
Everything that I’ve heard is that when it comes to this thing the expectation is they do it witb integrity.

but it is qb and it drives the entire league so...I don’t know.

I don’t think you can just assume that your initial low ball offer will be allowed to counter if that’s what you are getting at.
 
TrinidadDolfan said:
As we sit at #5 spot, and a team above us calls asking us to ante up for a trade up.....is it even possible that they could say “team X is offering us Y for our pick”, if that’s not the case?

Can we be baited to trade up if a team chooses to outright lie? Such a move would send shockwaves through the NFL when the dust settles and the truth came to light.

Could this happen?

Has anyone here ever heard of an event like this?

Thoughts....
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I suppose it is possible to do it, but only once, and it would likely be the end of the guy's career.

The NFL is a small world. Ppl talk. Ppl move. Word would get out, and that GM would lose all credibility and trust throughout the league, including agents. Thats not even taking into consideration that the other owners would probably insist on some type of punishment from the league.
 
Could they lie yes 100%, there's probably no real rule against it but as has been said no one is ever going to want to deal with the liar again. He'll essentially be excommunicated from other GM's around the league, and should he get fired good luck finding someone to hire you. The NFL is a good ol boys club which is why Gase got another HC position so you definitely don't want to burn bridges by being a liar.
 
superphin said:
Could they lie yes 100%, there's probably no real rule against it but as has been said no one is ever going to want to deal with the liar again. He'll essentially be excommunicated from other GM's around the league, and should he get fired good luck finding someone to hire you. The NFL is a good ol boys club which is why Gase got another HC position so you definitely don't want to burn bridges by being a liar.
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That's a great point. You see trades made mostly with teams you trust, or more specifically with people you trust.

That's why Detroit could make sense if Miami wants to deal up for Tua. Philadelphia and Miami have made a few trades as well.
 
Yeah I think if a GM did this it would kill his reputation around the league and wouldn't be wise if said GM is ever looking for another job. No one would be able trust him again, and that's something you can't ever get back. Most of these know each other fairly well, good ol' boys group with gentlemans agreement not to something this shady.
 
superphin said:
Could they lie yes 100%, there's probably no real rule against it but as has been said no one is ever going to want to deal with the liar again. He'll essentially be excommunicated from other GM's around the league, and should he get fired good luck finding someone to hire you. The NFL is a good ol boys club which is why Gase got another HC position so you definitely don't want to burn bridges by being a liar.
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I think that’s good news for us. I have had this fear this year that we could be baited to lose capital under false pretenses.

So yeah, I’m comforted by the feeling that we would only have to bundle picks if it were to counter a “real” offer by another team.

The ideal scenario is that we stay at #5 and get the player we want. There are too many that view our extra picks as “house money”. It isn’t. We worked hard for those extra picks, and they are extremely valuable. Just ask any team who has one pick in Round 1
 
Of course they lie I’m sure there’s better relationships that develop along the years where there’s more trust involved but it’s every GM’s job to get a player for the best value so honesty wouldn’t always prevail nor in my opinion should it under most situations. It would be hard to hold a grudge on another GM who’s trying to do the best for his own team, but I think there’s a big difference between lies were doing another dirty
 
Danny said:
I don't believe there's a team that doesn't lie when it comes to the draft.
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Agreed. It’s every team for themselves. Don’t worry about your next job, screw the other 31 teams over as much as possible. Contracts are guaranteed for coaches and GMs.

Scumbags win. Choir boys.....sing in choirs.

John Lynch swindled the Bears into giving up unnecessary capitol for a scrub QB. Anyone believe Houston and KC were interested in Trubisky and not Watson/Mahomes?

That’s how you win hardware.
 
If it's something reasonable I could totally see it being based on integrity but if it's something outrageous I can see teams calling for proof.

"LAC are offering us 4 1sts to move up to #2, beat it if you want X player" or something like that
 
I suppose, but let's say San Diego wants to jump to 3 and somehow Detroit dupes them.
Next year, what happens if Detroit needs a solid from San Diego in a trade...you could lose a trade partner for all time if you deceive them. Driving a hard bargain or bending a team over is one thing, but tricking them by lying is another.
You can plant seeds saying you have heard this or that, but an outright lie that can be discovered could cost you.
That being said- it still wouldn't surprise me if it happened.
Reminds me of that story when Don Shula sent a scout somewhere to watch a guy work out. Turns out the guy was a total turd, and Shula passed on him in the draft, only to see Al Davis pick him just after. When Shula saw who Davis picked, and he wasn't a turd at all, Shula turned to the scout demanding answers. Scout told Shula, "Coach, that is NOT the guy I scouted."
Al Davis pulled the old-switcheroo on Shula and sent an imposter to the workout so Shula would pass. I don't know who the player was.
Now THAT is some first class draft deception.
 
What would the lie be? For example? “Chargers are offering us 3 1st rounders to move up, can you top that?”

And then what happens if we say no?
 
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