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Is it really hard to just be simply logical in building a team?

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I know as fans we don't always see what goes behind closed doors. McDaniel has had time to evaluate the roster and whos to say that maybe there is something there we are missing? However, I find it hard to believe that we want to stay with the current group we have with oline. After how bad the group performed and where the talent was, can we just have a GM approach this from a simple logical way? I feel that if this FO before McD had any logical sense on this team, we'd be fielding a better product on the field. I would feel so much better if we got a top tackle to take over at least one of the spots. I understand if they want to work with what they have, but lets at least get a top team tackle?


In hindsight, that Jeremy Tunsil trade was a really bad trade due to Grier fumbling the picks. It made sense back then, but it doesnt now, those moves SHOULD COST a GM their job, but of course Ross is a clown.

Here's hoping McD sees something we don't but I think its safe to say that most of us have gone down this road before and have given new coaches benefit of the doubt only to bite back and blow in our face. Can't blame this fanbase for being impatient.



Logical moves, that's all I'm asking for.

Cheers to an optimistic season to build on.
 
xSxPxHx said:
I know as fans we don't always see what goes behind closed doors. McDaniel has had time to evaluate the roster and whos to say that maybe there is something there we are missing? However, I find it hard to believe that we want to stay with the current group we have with oline. After how bad the group performed and where the talent was, can we just have a GM approach this from a simple logical way? I feel that if this FO before McD had any logical sense on this team, we'd be fielding a better product on the field. I would feel so much better if we got a top tackle to take over at least one of the spots. I understand if they want to work with what they have, but lets at least get a top team tackle?


In hindsight, that Jeremy Tunsil trade was a really bad trade due to Grier fumbling the picks. It made sense back then, but it doesnt now, those moves SHOULD COST a GM their job, but of course Ross is a clown.

Here's hoping McD sees something we don't but I think its safe to say that most of us have gone down this road before and have given new coaches benefit of the doubt only to bite back and blow in our face. Can't blame this fanbase for being impatient.



Logical moves, that's all I'm asking for.

Cheers to an optimistic season to build on.
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You realize Tunsil isn’t playing well and is being paid a fortune?
 
Birdmond said:
You realize Tunsil isn’t playing well and is being paid a fortune?
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True, but I'm saying in hindsight what good is a trade with all those picks if you can't nail at least 1 good player. My confidence in Grier is low, or maybe it was Flo who really pushe don Noah, which by the way is probobly one of the biggest draft blunders in Miami Dolphins history after Dion selection pick.
 
What's the over/under for March on threads talking about the same thing?

LOL....Kidding, but only a little.

Look, It's pretty obvious at this point that we do not intend signing a top tier FA OT. We have invested considerable draft assets on the O-line, and I guess they want to see if coaching is the main issue, rather than talent.

If it were me, I would have brought in a veteran OT, even if he was merely serviceable, as insurance. It's quite possible they still do.
 
Mach2 said:
What's the over/under for March on threads talking about the same thing?



If it were me, I would have brought in a veteran OT, even if he was merely serviceable, as insurance. It's quite possible they still do.
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Um im pretty good at searching threads before I post a topic. lol

My point of the thread is approaching the building of a team from a logical standpoint. I sometimes think Fans in general would know what moves to make to make this team better, then I realized I took a mushroom 10 mins before...
 
Bartowboy said:
Still a head scratcher how Flo lost his job but Grier didn’t. Not but 2 years ago, flo was seen as one of the best young HC around and yet his job wasn’t safe. But Grier is safe from all those crappy signings and draft picks.
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As it turned out, Flores was an anti social, disgruntled egomaniac, who had no clue what he was doing on the offensive side of the ball. He was such a prick that, either do to his own pride, or his personality, that he could not build a good offensive coaching staff, and likely wouldn't have listened to them if he did. At the end, he wouldn't even communicate with the lacky staff he had, and probably not his boss either.

Not seeing the head scratcher part.

Now, if you are saying Grier should have been shown the door, one can make a case for that, but it has nothing to do with Flores.
 
xSxPxHx said:
Um im pretty good at searching threads before I post a topic. lol

My point of the thread is approaching the building of a team from a logical standpoint. I sometimes think Fans in general would know what moves to make to make this team better, then I realized I took a mushroom 10 mins before...
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Well, that was the title, but your immediate, and general overall focus was on Grier, and his failure to build a competent line. All I'm saying is that we have several threads where that has been discussed.

No problem, post any thread you care to start. All you are going to get though is more of the same ole same ole.
 
xSxPxHx said:
I know as fans we don't always see what goes behind closed doors. McDaniel has had time to evaluate the roster and whos to say that maybe there is something there we are missing? However, I find it hard to believe that we want to stay with the current group we have with oline. After how bad the group performed and where the talent was, can we just have a GM approach this from a simple logical way? I feel that if this FO before McD had any logical sense on this team, we'd be fielding a better product on the field. I would feel so much better if we got a top tackle to take over at least one of the spots. I understand if they want to work with what they have, but lets at least get a top team tackle?


In hindsight, that Jeremy Tunsil trade was a really bad trade due to Grier fumbling the picks. It made sense back then, but it doesnt now, those moves SHOULD COST a GM their job, but of course Ross is a clown.

Here's hoping McD sees something we don't but I think its safe to say that most of us have gone down this road before and have given new coaches benefit of the doubt only to bite back and blow in our face. Can't blame this fanbase for being impatient.



Logical moves, that's all I'm asking for.

Cheers to an optimistic season to build on.
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Here's the hurdle. NOTE: I'm going off-topic for a minute. For those who don't care, skip to the next paragraph. For those of us who made it into management, every level seems to have a universal annoyance . . . 'If *I* get a promotion I'm going to do A and B. What we're doing now is wasting money, losing customers. Henry Ford needs to be fired.' Just as consistently, when one of 'us' gets the promotion, what changes? NOTHING. Ask that person why the changes aren't made. . . . 'you guys don't have all the facts. If you knew what I've learned, there are reasons those decisions are made.'

OK, here we go. FH is lower management. We THINK we know player evaluations, or why Cleo isn't cut, or Grier didn't sign Jim Brown, but no one knows the 'real' reasons. Thus, it's hard to be 'logical' when the facts are unknown. And it isn't just Mcd. Sure, he evals a player, but so does the DC or OC, the position coaches, the scouts, the whole staff. Sadly, sometimes FH turns out to be right, but, often not. Even then, the 'why' a player is kept (e.g., Grant) or a player is cut (e.g., Karras) is unknown. without the data, 'logic' is of little value.

You are absolutely correct, the coaches see things FH doesn't - player talent, player fit, attempts and failures to sign a player, cap ramifications, blah, blah. We still have opinions, but we need to accept we don't have all the data
 
xSxPxHx said:
True, but I'm saying in hindsight what good is a trade with all those picks if you can't nail at least 1 good player. My confidence in Grier is low, or maybe it was Flo who really pushe don Noah, which by the way is probobly one of the biggest draft blunders in Miami Dolphins history after Dion selection pick.
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Waddle isn’t good?
 
It's pretty straightforward for me. Grier is stubborn, and thinks/convinced ownership the problems were with coaching and not with his talent evaluation. That's how he was able to get rid of Flores, "coaching was the problem." He can't get rid of the coaches AND get rid of all the players he drafted.

This is him trying to prove how right he was from Tua to Austin Jackson to Iggy. I'd say he's going to go down with the ship, but he'll miraculously escape blame like he always does.
 
I've believed all along that the individual talent on the offensive line was better than what we saw as a unit.

I think Davis is the best example, partly because he has a number of years under his belt. Until this season, Davis was always serviceable. Never great, but not someone who hurt the team either. This year he was downright terrible.

Robert Hunt actually improved, which tells me Miami might have something there. But virtually every other lineman regressed.

Saying that, I absolutely believe Miami needs to find a competent tackle in free agency. Maybe the team can live with Eichenberg at one spot.
 
SF Dolphin Fan said:
I've believed all along that the individual talent on the offensive line was better than what we saw as a unit.

I think Davis is the best example, partly because he has a number of years under his belt. Until this season, Davis was always serviceable. Never great, but not someone who hurt the team either. This year he was downright terrible.

Robert Hunt actually improved, which tells me Miami might have something there. But virtually every other lineman regressed.

Saying that, I absolutely believe Miami needs to find a competent tackle in free agency. Maybe the team can live with Eichenberg at one spot.
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Eich is really not suited to a wide zone scheme (or RPO for that matter), IMO.

I think it's entirely possible that Hunt kicks back outside.
 
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