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Is Ryan Tannehill Improvement Talk Real? We’ll Know After Miami Dolphins Versus Jets

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In January of 2015 after the New York Jets hired Todd Bowles, the new head coach cast his eyes on a friend and Bill Parcells disciple to become his new defensive coordinator.
Bowles wanted to hire then Miami Dolphins defensive line coach Kacy Rodgers. Rodgers, after seven years in Miami, left for his promotion
And that decision, while it has nothing to do with the current Dolphins administration or coaching staff, has had a significant effect on current Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill the past few years.
The Jets, you see, have riddled the Dolphins’ offense in general and Tannehill in particular since 2015.

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/...-salguero/article218301345.html#storylink=rss
 
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000961397/next-gen-stats-hidden-numbers-that-defined-week-1

"Two QBs shined under duress in Week 1: Miami's Ryan Tannehill and Washington's Alex Smith. Tannehill faced pressure (2 yards or less of separation from nearest defender when releasing a pass) on 41.4 percent of his 28 attempts, yet still completed 20 for 230 yards and two TDs. Making this line even more impressive: The fact he threw into tight windows (receiver separation of less than or equal to 1 yard when attempted) on 25 percent of his attempts, and completed 7.1 percent more of his attempts than his expected completion rate of 64.3. (Expected completion rate = likelihood a pass is completed based on a number of Next Gen Stats, ranging from air distance to receiver speed.) Tannehill's two INTs show he wasn't perfect, but the previous figures are notable."
 
Joe Dolfan said:
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000961397/next-gen-stats-hidden-numbers-that-defined-week-1

"Two QBs shined under duress in Week 1: Miami's Ryan Tannehill and Washington's Alex Smith. Tannehill faced pressure (2 yards or less of separation from nearest defender when releasing a pass) on 41.4 percent of his 28 attempts, yet still completed 20 for 230 yards and two TDs. Making this line even more impressive: The fact he threw into tight windows (receiver separation of less than or equal to 1 yard when attempted) on 25 percent of his attempts, and completed 7.1 percent more of his attempts than his expected completion rate of 64.3. (Expected completion rate = likelihood a pass is completed based on a number of Next Gen Stats, ranging from air distance to receiver speed.) Tannehill's two INTs show he wasn't perfect, but the previous figures are notable."
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RT generally shines in both these areas: throwing from less than pristine pocket, or being pressured on the run, and throwing into tight windows. The man made Hartline, Bess, and Landry stars by being able to throw tight windows. And ask Stills how glad he is to have RT17 back, who can thread needles on tight windows downfield. Made Stills a lot of money -- only to have Cutler show just how many of those completions got made by great, underrated accuracy from RT.

LD
 
Man you guys kills me with those numbers, great to know but also great not to know, because each game is different and has different scenarios. Just play football and hope we can win.
 
Something else interesting from that post by nfl.com:


Slow to throw
In a callback to last week's photo essay, we're taking a look at Tyrod Taylor's time to throw. Next Gen Stats revealed Taylor's average time to throw (2.72 seconds) would be slightly faster than former Browns starter DeShone Kizer (2.84 seconds), but this wasn't the case in Week 1. On a sloppy day in Cleveland, Taylor was noticeably slower in the pocket -- so much so that his average time to throw dropped to a flat 3 seconds. Only eight quarterbacks were slower to throw on average in Week 1, with just two non-mobile passers landing in the group: the Bills' Josh Allen (3.72 seconds on 15 attempts) and Jets' Sam Darnold (3.26 seconds).

If that isn't an open invitation for our d-line to collapse the pocket on Sunday, I don't know what is. The fact they took 3 seconds to throw and still made some completions shows the Jets o-line is holding up OK on passing downs.
 
Krush said:
Man you guys kills me with those numbers, great to know but also great not to know, because each game is different and has different scenarios. Just play football and hope we can win.
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Amen, I'm really not a fan of all the over critical analysis, the pass is complete or incomplete, it's as simple as that.
 
It's a great question because historically, iirc, he's usually struggled against physical teams (Jets, Bills, Ravens etc). Part of it may be because those teams in the past have given us hell in the trenches forcing everything to happen much quicker under duress.

Hopefully, the protection from last week holds up.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Something else interesting from that post by nfl.com:


Slow to throw
In a callback to last week's photo essay, we're taking a look at Tyrod Taylor's time to throw. Next Gen Stats revealed Taylor's average time to throw (2.72 seconds) would be slightly faster than former Browns starter DeShone Kizer (2.84 seconds), but this wasn't the case in Week 1. On a sloppy day in Cleveland, Taylor was noticeably slower in the pocket -- so much so that his average time to throw dropped to a flat 3 seconds. Only eight quarterbacks were slower to throw on average in Week 1, with just two non-mobile passers landing in the group: the Bills' Josh Allen (3.72 seconds on 15 attempts) and Jets' Sam Darnold (3.26 seconds).

If that isn't an open invitation for our d-line to collapse the pocket on Sunday, I don't know what is. The fact they took 3 seconds to throw and still made some completions shows the Jets o-line is holding up OK on passing downs.
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the nfl.com is a little off on this one. Darnold is no mike vick but he can move in the pocket and im sure his 40 time of 4.8 is about norm. I consider good movement in the pocket to be "mobile". I hate the Jets and the Lions were pure t **** Monday night, but the kid really didn't look that bad, escaped pressure a few times to get out of pocket and throw it. he ran for 250 yards his freshman year. I don't think he wants to get hit by Kiko, but I guess he knows how to hail a taxi like Flacco afterwards since hes in NYC now. the titans gave the oline a lot of help with our ends sacrificing potential targets, that's the situation we need to put the jets in. I don't care if our DE's get 0 sacks this season, as long as our DB's can cover the 3 available targets left after you have 7 men blocking then im good with that
 
going to be a hostile environment and gase is going to need to get our offense into rhythm early.

we're going to need more from our dline this week too. if that place gets bumpin it's going to be loud and obnoxious.
 
Joe Dolfan said:
http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000961397/next-gen-stats-hidden-numbers-that-defined-week-1

"Two QBs shined under duress in Week 1: Miami's Ryan Tannehill and Washington's Alex Smith. Tannehill faced pressure (2 yards or less of separation from nearest defender when releasing a pass) on 41.4 percent of his 28 attempts, yet still completed 20 for 230 yards and two TDs. Making this line even more impressive: The fact he threw into tight windows (receiver separation of less than or equal to 1 yard when attempted) on 25 percent of his attempts, and completed 7.1 percent more of his attempts than his expected completion rate of 64.3. (Expected completion rate = likelihood a pass is completed based on a number of Next Gen Stats, ranging from air distance to receiver speed.) Tannehill's two INTs show he wasn't perfect, but the previous figures are notable."
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They call that game under duress? Lol.
 
Hit Darnold in the mouth early. I want to see how he responds to that.
 
Fin Thirteen said:
Something else interesting from that post by nfl.com:


Slow to throw
In a callback to last week's photo essay, we're taking a look at Tyrod Taylor's time to throw. Next Gen Stats revealed Taylor's average time to throw (2.72 seconds) would be slightly faster than former Browns starter DeShone Kizer (2.84 seconds), but this wasn't the case in Week 1. On a sloppy day in Cleveland, Taylor was noticeably slower in the pocket -- so much so that his average time to throw dropped to a flat 3 seconds. Only eight quarterbacks were slower to throw on average in Week 1, with just two non-mobile passers landing in the group: the Bills' Josh Allen (3.72 seconds on 15 attempts) and Jets' Sam Darnold (3.26 seconds).

If that isn't an open invitation for our d-line to collapse the pocket on Sunday, I don't know what is. The fact they took 3 seconds to throw and still made some completions shows the Jets o-line is holding up OK on passing downs.
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Have to be aware that he is extending plays by moving around which I'm sure adds to his throwing time.
 
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