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Is the modern nfl running game overated

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My best friend and I have been on this argument for years. He's a steeler fan and believes in smash mouth football. I grew up in the Marino era. We have had some of the worst offenses despite being a run first team in the 2000's. Compared with some of the most high scoring offenses under Marino. Ideally you would want to be great in the run and pass. But if you could be very average in one and dominant in the other what would you pick.
Jaworaski always says points come in the passing game. I know I know you got to run the ball in bad weather, killing clock and short yardage.
 
Running game is the best thing to have...

ITs contagious...Ppl say it sets up the pass....

I dont think it does set up the pass..but what it does it...

Set up the play action...

Pa can give you big plays... and extra time for your qb when he is passing...

Runnning demorlizes a teams D...

Any Qb and Wr can get lucky on a bomb her or there...


The thing is tho...if you depend on running the ball and you cant...

Things can get very UGLY
 
i think it is....

sure, chipping away 5 yards at a time, burning clock and keeping the opposing offense off the field... thats probably the best way to go about it. But in today's NFL..... you have to have the ability to score quickly. I've been saying since the feidler era that it's nearly impossible to compete for a title without a premiere passer and/or above average passing game. The average yards per carry in this era is probably less than 4, its not easy running the ball these days. Linebackers are smarter/faster/stronger than HB's in many cases. Screen passes ( see NE and welker ) and the wildcat ( dolphins ) are proof that teams are trying new, higher percentage ways to move the ball on the ground. But still, the best matchups you have today, are the NBa style WR's and TE's up against 5ft 10inch DBs, and OLB's.

Look at the vikings..... they've had a dominant running game, and top 10 defense for years.... they still stunk. throw in a vet QB who can sling it, and a lil percy harvin here and there... now you've got a team that can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime.
 
I think any qb with time can be good...

Plus system makes a qb...Look at Kyle Orton puting up crazy numbers....

Matt Cassle was great last year too...Now look at him with Chiefs..

No line, no other team mates practically
 
i think the patriots proved that being very average in the running game and completely dominant in the passing game is a fine way to score gobs and gobs of points. but if you can be at least slightly above average in one and dominant in the other then i'd take a dominant running game and the slightly above average passing game.....i think. but idk...because the way the rules are with receivers and contact form the db's i might just take it the other way around now.
 
If all things offensively aren't equal ill take Marinos 350 yds 3 tds with a 60 yd running game compared to 2002 rickey williams 130 yds a game and fielders 200 yds and 0 tds and 8 yds a pass game. No disrespct to ricky. We've lost to many games post Marino era with this run mentality. Thanks guys go dolphins
 
Well, I think you have to work with what you have. We have 2 exceptional running backs and a very expensive offensive line, an unknown commodity at Quarterback, and a lack of play makers at receiver. Therefor, were a team built to wear down opponents defenses and control the clock via smash mouth football, and hopefully get some stops on defense.

Marino never had a solid running back (minus that one year from Kareem).. and for the better part of his career a very solid receiving corps.. so they aired it out..
 
Being as the teams in the nfl who pass more are well above 500. and the teams who run more are well below 500 including us, i'll take the pass. The rules in the nfl today favor the passing game. were a few decades to late.
 
Its all a matter of opinion. If you run the ball well but don't pass well, you had better have a good defense, because you aren't gonna score much, but you can control the tempo and keep opposing offenses out of sync. On the other hand, if you can score quickly by passing, you may not need a good defense, but if your QB has a bad day, or if the weather is terrible, you will likely lose. I like what we are doing right now. I know so far over the last 7 or 8 years, we have been run first, play good defense and it hasn't worked, but with the right coaching, and a QB that can burn defenses that aren't playing honest, I think it can get us a ring. Maybe not this season, but soon.
 
Being as the teams in the nfl who pass more are well above 500. and the teams who run more are well below 500 including us, i'll take the pass. The rules in the nfl today favor the passing game. were a few decades to late.

Maybe Bill P is stuck in the 70s with his 8 track tape deck
 
Passing game is king and will be for some time. Passing gets TV ratings. Passing interests the casual football fan. The rules will continue to favor passing.

Football will slowly continue to morph from its essence (embodied by the philosophies of Parcells and others) to whatever brings in the dollars and provides the most entertainment value.
 
last time i checked, eli manning, peyton manning, ben roethlisberger, tom brady, all won superbowls... their runnings backs ? yeah sure they were good, but no hall of famer material

The league is doing everything it can to protect quarterbacks, and free up receivers by severing the interference calls in the last years...

if i were to start a team tomorrow, i'd make sure to have great lines on both sides, and get my hands on a franchise quarterback ASAFP.

people tend to think that running the ball sets the passing on playactions, but they never look at it the other way.
Let's take brady for the first example, that guy alone with his WR crew are offering great rushing opportunities because they get so much respect from the defences.
You say "hey what about peyton setting the playaction with all those stretch plays for the last 4-5 seasons" ... it goes the other way around too, why do you think running backs have had good success in indy ? guys like dominic rhodes who can't have a job right now ? the stretch play along with a deadly playaction passer like manning prevents backside linebackers and/or safeties to attack the ball carrier, which ultimately creates a mismatch in numbers for defences.

those are just examples i'm thinking of right now, but i think that as much as the run can set the pass, when you have a franchise quarterback, he's able to open up your running game...


and in the 2009 version of the nfl (hell, the whole 2000s), i'd say a passing game is much, much more important (especially a franchise quarterback)
 
It's still run the ball often, pass the ball well. That will never change, regardless of all the desperate amendments to the rules, and pass interference that is increasingly liberal in its interpretation.

The most important quinella is pass the ball well and stop the pass. No denying that. The Colts in 2006 had lousy rush defense numbers in the regular season but they were excellent in passing and pass defense to the point their statistical resume was actually superior than it had been in prior seasons when they were more hyped. It's still beyond all logic that the Colts opened those playoffs as a 4 point underdog to Tennessee, a team that couldn't pass with McNair beyond his peak, and whose pass defense wasn't special, in fact below the middle of the league in YPPA allowed.

New England is an interesting study of the amusing penalties once you fall for the flag football approach. Despite the unbeaten regular season in 2007, New England had more than 20 rushes fewer than any of its 3 Super Bowl title teams of 2001, 2003 and 2004. In fact, the 2004 team had more than 70 rushing attempts than 2007. It should have been the opposite, given the domination of the 2007 team, rolling up big leads particularly early in the year. More wins should equate to more rushes. But since they were winning more and rushing less, it screamed New England was becoming too soft, believing it could arrogantly flick aside the typical requirements based on superior weaponry. The Patriots weren't in the Marino/McNabb category of automatic reject due to insufficient rushing attempts but they were volunteering themselves into more jeopardy than they rightfully should have faced.

Obviously the Patriots/Giants Super Bowl was pivotal to Dolphin historical perspective. While watching it I charted the rushing attempts, worried New England would pile them up, as had been the case in previous Super Bowls. Philadelphia had all but forfeited the 2004 game by passing 3x their rushes, 51/17, including several senseless throws on first down in the red zone early in the game. Throughout the Pats/Giants Super Bowl I became increasingly comforted because New England wasn't rushing at all. I remember turning to my dad and saying, "This is supposed to backfire on them." The Giants were putting up stats almost identical to New England's vs. the Eagles in that prior Super Bowl, near balance in terms of rushes and passes, while the other side flailed away in the air. Sure enough, New England ended up with numbers nearly mirroring the Eagles of several years earlier, 16 rushes to 48 throws, and were justly dismissed by the same margin, 3 points. Damn shame.

I knock Marino here often. Actually not Marino, but that era. Well earned. We had 8-18 rushing attempts in so many pivotal games it was sickening, other than collecting my bets. If you throw those numbers in Excel databases, as I have literally hundreds of times, you'd be shocked what it spits out. You won't win 20% of the time. In fact, the league is still where it's always been, 82-85% of games in a given year won by the team with the highest number of rushing attempts. If you want a simple method to determine if the result was proper or not, that's where to look. We outrushed the Colts 49-11, so that's an alltime brutal defeat, one that barely registers statistically. Last week we outrushed New Orleans, 30-27, so that's a minor bad beat but it evidences we did not maintain control of the game.

As always, keep in mind it's called the Vince Lombardi Trophy, not the Don Coryell Trophy. For younger fans, substitute Andy Reid for Coryell.
 
Being as the teams in the nfl who pass more are well above 500. and the teams who run more are well below 500 including us, i'll take the pass. The rules in the nfl today favor the passing game. were a few decades to late.

Hmmm...only Miami, New Orleans, and the Jets have rushed more than they have thrown. :ponder:
 
I would take the power running game, but only with a very good defense. If you have a shi**y defense you better be able to score quick and often.
 
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