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It All Started With A 3rd And 1 Pass Play...

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...why /??? why always passing on 3rd and shorts...pathetic ! Penalties...fumbles and terrible play calling.
 
i agree. we were running the ball well on that drive too. This is why Gase shouldn't call plays
 
I completely agree with this. As soon as it reached 3rd and 1 I was begging for us to line up under center and pound with Gore. All game we had done a beautiful job of minimizing our offensive line problems by featuring Gore on gash plays. Now when we had opportunity to do more of the same, with the Bengal crowd still quiet and expecting defeat, we hand them opportunity by lining up in one of our patented 3rd and 1 shotgun formations accompanied by a low percentage call.

It wouldn't have been as bad at 17-0 as 17-3. That may seem like a minor difference. It is a massive difference. Maintaining that shut out for a long as possible is imperative. The sports media never emphasizes that enough. I had a roommate named John from Detroit in 1995 who called it the Clamp. Once that Clamp is broken with any type of score, all of a sudden the floodgates can open with points from anywhere.

At 17-3 the Clamp was gone and then we made the idiotic choice on 3rd and 1. I wasn't surprised at all it quickly became 17-10.

From that point forward I was surprised and I lost my wager on Dolphins +6.5. Crowd vs. Crowd games very seldom turn that dramatically. It requires special incompetence. Let's hope we got it out of our system in one game.

Ryan Tannehill has always been fortunate in his career with dropped interceptions, including in the first half today. But logically you can't get away with careless choices throughout your career. He saw the tight end only feet away from him on the sack play but instead of dumping it to the ground near his feet and not being penalized for grounding, Tannehill attempted the miracle rescue of that play and was burned for it with the ricochet off the helmet.
 
gase thinks a third and short pass play is the same as a run play.

maybe thats why he and ajayi didn't get along. he was forced to acknowledge that his line of thinking may be wrong.
 
I saw Tanne's presser and he was asked specficially about that play. He mentioned that Albert was supposed to come across and got flatted.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time that's been the EXACTLY result on that play. Last time i believe it Danny and the other time Tanny scrambled on a long run at the beginning of the Oakland game if i recall correctly.

So just being a casual fan i recognized the play on 3 different occasions.

What is the chances that a professional NFL scouting department didn't?

He said he liked the call which he basically described as a 2 man route on 3rd and 1.

No Tannie it was a stupid play. Spread the ball and run the damn ball.
 
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It started when Tunsil got hurt. Every time Miami has a injury, their backups can't hold their own for the remainder of the game. they're useless. Center gets hurt, backup immediately comes in for a bad snap. Starting corner gets hurt, backup corner comes in and gets burned for a TD. Tunsil gets hurt, backup come in and pressure occurs on every snap instantly. It's on the coaches on why this team has piss poor depth. I said back in the preseason that Miami probably had the easiest cuts to get down to 53 in the league. And even so the roster was still littered with scrub players.
 
2nd half the Phins were toothless. If this team is going to have any success they cannot get decent leads and then roll over and die for the 2nd half of a game. Going nowhere with that mentality and work ethic.
 
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Dolph N.Fan said:
It started when Tunsil got hurt. Every time Miami has a injury, their backups can't hold their own for the remainder of the game. they're useless. Center gets hurt, backup immediately comes in for a bad snap. Starting corner gets hurt, backup corner comes in and gets burned for a TD. Tunsil gets hurt, backup come in and pressure occurs on every snap instantly. It's on the coaches on why this team has piss poor depth. I said back in the preseason that Miami probably had the easiest cuts to get down to 53 in the league. And even so the roster was still littered with scrub players.
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So why aren't we running a counter to that side? Meaning that DE is licking his chops to rush upfield because he can beat our backup.

So why aren't we taking advantage of that and inviting him upfield?
 
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I saw Tanne's presser and he was asked specficially about that play. He mentioned that Albert was supposed to come across and got flatted.

This is the 2nd or 3rd time that's been the EXACTLY result on that play. Last time i believe it Danny and the other time Tanny scrambled on a long run at the beginning of the Oakland game if i recall correctly.

So just being a casual fan i recognized the play on 3 different occasions.

What is the chances that a professional NFL scouting department didn't?

He said he liked the call which he basically described as a 2 man route on 3rd and 1.

No Tannie it was a stupid play. Spread the ball and run the damn ball.
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That play started to become popular about 15 years ago, in college and pro. I remember Oklahoma running it and Clemson running it, often saved for 3rd down short yardage situations exactly like that one. It looked so clever and impossible to defend, due to the motion the other way. The Canes were burned so frequently they stole it and started using it themselves, especially when Mark Whipple was offensive coordinator, if anyone remembers that name.

At first the teams would use a tight end slipping underneath into the flat. That is still done on occasion but once defenses started to wise up, now a quicker guy is normally used. It is still an effective play but the situational use on third and short is now so well known that defenses look for it immediately once the tipoffs are there.

I'm fairly basic. Run the ball up the gut and force them to stop it. Running plays on 3rd and 1 have always held about a 20% edge in success rate compared to pass plays.
 
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