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J-Off's 11th Hour Draft Special Part 1: Position Rankings/Summaries for Miami

jim1 said:
What do you see in DE Demarcus Walker in terms of limited physical tools? What I see is a hell of a football player with speed, power and good size for a 4-3 DE. Would love to have him in rd 2.
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Real quick, thanks to everyone for all the love! Much appreciated!

Walker is good, and he's fast (for his size), so we don't disagree on those points. His explosive power and agility are poor, and he's unlikely to cause much disruption on the edge. He's most disruptive inside, but he's small for that spot, so finding him snaps in Miami looks difficult. If he was more sudden, I'd rank him higher, and I still wouldn't bet against him.
 
cltchperf said:
Awesome job man. So I was wondering. Some of the centers were projected 2nd rd. And the top center you said was a fringe end of 1st rd. Hypothetically of course, if Pat Elfein were somehow to drop in the third rd or the next guy. Would it be bad if fins take one? I want miami to get an olb or one that is atheletic that can run side to side and in coverage as well as blitz which miami desperatley needs. There are some lbs that could be available.

And a pass rusher DE. So 1st and 2nd rd on those two positions and the one's picked first based on BPA or depth of said position. If one is deeper with talent and will fall in late second rd, then wait to get such later. But I'm not against miami getting a C if those two guys are there in 3rd rd. We got pouncey, but he always seems hampered by injuries and I'd just rather him be gone, obviously not unless fins get a center in his place. But in the meanwhile, since Pouncey has played guard he could swing to that and do well or the center move over which some are able to do fine in the time being. The team needs OL depth as we saw what happened when Tunsil, Pouncey and Albert missed time last season and how bad the line was and the difference it made.
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I'm hoping that Miami didn't back themselves into a corner with thrift shopping for OL. I think each of the top-three Centers would be a good pick/value at 97, but I do project better values/more dynamic talents to be available, and with such a thin group, I'm not sure they're available at 97. Fuller probably is.

I have similar feelings about the OG's at 54. I do agree that it'd be nice to get a player who is good enough to sub for and eventually replace Pouncey. As noted in the OP, I think finding value at any OL spot will be difficult, but Miami should be looking for it anyway. But, if it's not there, don't force it.
 
j-off-her-doll said:
I'm hoping that Miami didn't back themselves into a corner with thrift shopping for OL. I think each of the top-three Centers would be a good pick/value at 97, but I do project better values/more dynamic talents to be available, and with such a thin group, I'm not sure they're available at 97. Fuller probably is.

I have similar feelings about the OG's at 54. I do agree that it'd be nice to get a player who is good enough to sub for and eventually replace Pouncey. As noted in the OP, I think finding value at any OL spot will be difficult, but Miami should be looking for it anyway. But, if it's not there, don't force it.
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Thanks for the feedback- I love your analysis but I'm gonna have to disagree on this one- I see Walker as an explosive DE with great size for a 4-3 DE, can both pass rush and defend the run very well. I think that he'd be a great fit in Miami, especially as we're now going for more traditional 4-3 Defensive Ends. Having Walker learn behind William Hayes and get into the rotation would be a great fit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nZanLqxAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfqp4WYODQ

http://www.tallahassee.com/videos/s...emarcus-walker's-pro-day-highlights/99733546/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03SIqFD8eBI

In an unrelated note, the Florida Marlins will not be drafting Demarcus Walker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRU1bUquoQc
 
jim1 said:
Thanks for the feedback- I love your analysis but I'm gonna have to disagree on this one- I see Walker as an explosive DE with great size for a 4-3 DE, can both pass rush and defend the run very well. I think that he'd be a great fit in Miami, especially as we're now going for more traditional 4-3 Defensive Ends. Having Walker learn behind William Hayes and get into the rotation would be a great fit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_nZanLqxAw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLfqp4WYODQ

http://www.tallahassee.com/videos/s...emarcus-walker's-pro-day-highlights/99733546/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03SIqFD8eBI

In an unrelated note, the Florida Marlins will not be drafting Demarcus Walker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRU1bUquoQc
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Thank you. There's plenty of room for disagreement, and I don't think your take is bad/wrong. I think he'd be fine as a base-down, run-stopping DE, and he'd probably give you some tipped passes, but my concerns about his ability to pressure the QB from DE keep him out of my first two rounds. I'm rooting for Walker. He was outstanding the last two years at FSU, and I love his motor.
 
Amazing job. Just one question. Unless I missed it with so much to read I didn't see much of Charles Harris up there and you have him in the 3rd round. Do you really think he'll be there that late? I believe he'll go top 25 but what don't you like about him? Thanks

Ozzy rules!!
 
Danny said:
Amazing job. Just one question. Unless I missed it with so much to read I didn't see much of Charles Harris up there and you have him in the 3rd round. Do you really think he'll be there that late? I believe he'll go top 25 but what don't you like about him? Thanks

Ozzy rules!!
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Many thanks all! I could make a post twice as long as the OP detailing all the things I've learned from the FH OG's.

I don't dislike Harris. His spin move is special, and he's a really refined pass rusher, given his limited time at the position. I rank him lower, because I see more risk and a lower ceiling than people who like him in the 1st. He's small, hovering around 250lbs, didn't meet my production threshold for pass rushers, and he's a below-average athlete. For DE/Edge, I factor in athletic testing to my player grades more than any other position. So, he's cool, and I think he has a legit shot. I just think he carries too much risk to draft in the top 32 (or top 64). Some people, smart people, love him. He's just not for me.
 
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j-off-her-doll said:
Many thanks all! I could make a post twice as long as the OP detailing all the things I've learned from the FH OG's.

I don't dislike Harris. His spin move is special, and he's a really refined pass rusher, given his limited time at the position. I rank him lower, because I see more risk and a lower than people who like him in the 1st. He's small, hovering around 250lbs, didn't meet my production threshold for pass rushers, and he's a below-average athlete. For DE/Edge, I factor in athletic testing to my player grades more than any other position. So, he's cool, and I think he has a legit shot. I just think he carries too much risk to draft in the top 32 (or top 64). Some people, smart people, love him. He's just not for me.
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Thanks for all the info. I really hope we hit it on this draft

Ozzy rules!!
 
Hot damn man! Kudos to you and everyone else this year for making this draft such a fun one to follow.

1st pick for me is out of Willis/Lamp/Awuzie/McDowell/Njoku
 
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