MiaFins31
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This is a 20 minute breakdown but this guy does an incredible job of showing JaMarr Chase and breaking down his game. This is exactly why I prefer him over Smith. If you have time please watch and comment.
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Thanks I was looking for something like this
He's definitely justifying his bias but I prefer chase over Smith.
MiaFins31
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It just blew my mind that when I say in posts that I prefer JaMarr Chase over a DeVonta Smith people are saying we already have a guy like Chase in DVP. I’m just like how in the world can anybody watch this kids tape and see DVP? That’s just stunning to me. He didn’t play this year and it’s like people forgot his phenomenal record setting season. DeVonta Smith is great I’m not against Miami taking him at all. I’m simply saying that JaMarr Chase is a tad better and he’s a better fit for Tua.
I like him as I did JJefferson
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Honestly, I don’t believe the Dolphins can go wrong with either Chase or Smith. They are both rock stars.
I’ll be excited to have either.
That said, like a lot of GM’s over the years, I believe a lot of fans get overly excited by physical traits. Jerry Rice wasn’t a Julio Jones athletic specimen but is still widely considered the GOAT. Randy Moss is usually considered right up there with Rice and while he was certainly tall, he was very slim and not the physical break tackles guy like Jones or Terrell Owens.
Point is, talent and skill trumps all. Rice wasn’t small, but he wasn’t physically imposing either. Yet was arguably the most skilled receiver ever. IMO Devonta Smith fits into that same mold. He’s not small, but slim. He’s 6-1 with long arms and great length. And his talent and skill is 2nd to none.
Chase also has most, if not all, of the same attributes. But is a thicker (not taller), more physically imposing receiver. Speed seems pretty comparable.
W/O knowing what the combine measurements will be, I’d venture to guess that Smith has a longer wingspan.
As I said, I’ll be fine with either. But I do give a slight edge to Smith in route running and hands. Chase is excellent in those aspects too. And clearly has the edge in physicality.
If Smith becomes the next Marvin Harrison meets Jerry Rice and Chase becomes the next Michael Irvin meets Terrell Owens — don’t the Dolphins win either way?
aquaman54
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Me....Sewell at 3
If Jets take Him, I'll be Content to Land either Chase or Smith. And No, I'm not so keen on the Trading Back. It'd be nice to Land One of These STUDS for a change. We Need Game Changers....
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If Jets take Him, I'll be Content to Land either Chase or Smith. And No, I'm not so keen on the Trading Back. It'd be nice to Land One of These STUDS for a change. We Need Game Changers....
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MiaFins31
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I want to trade back. That’s my first preference and it ain’t close. I want to trade down to 7/8/9 and hopefully still get one of the WRs although like I said I prefer Chase. If we can’t trade down I’m with you all the way I want to take Sewell. But if the Jets take him or we pass on him for Chase/Smith I won’t be disappointed in the least.Me....Sewell at 3
If Jets take Him, I'll be Content to Land either Chase or Smith. And No, I'm not so keen on the Trading Back. It'd be nice to Land One of These STUDS for a change. We Need Game Changers....
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MiaFins31
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I’m with you on we win either way. I just think Chase has a tad higher ceiling and the physicality is the difference for me. DS rarely if ever gets pressed at the line in college. NFL CBs are going to put hands on him and it just give him a free release off the line. I’m sure DS knows how to win with his hands and I’m sure he can beat the press but can he do it consistently like Chase has proven he can do. But like you said we win either way and I’d be thrilled if the pick was DS. I just prefer JC more by the thinnest of margins.
They should draft Smith or Chase at 3 and then trade their 18th and 36th pick to move up in the the first round to draft Pitts. A receiving group of Smith or Chase, Parker, Williams, Bowden, Pitts, Gesicki, and a likely top WR in free agency would certain be a major upgrade over the receivers they put on the field for the majority of the 2020 season.
I'd be just as excited to land Chase as I would be to get Smith. Chase was my guy before Smith's insane 2020. Remember, he was Joe Burrow's favorite target and LSU's WR1 when Justin Jefferson was there.
I'd bet scouts are close to 50/50 on preference between the two.
I'd bet scouts are close to 50/50 on preference between the two.
ckparrothead
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I've been really fascinated by something once I started to notice it, and it's how Ja'Marr Chase's best work from 2019 all seemed to happen against the lesser players in coverage against LSU.
I went back and watched his complete work against Pat Surtain Jr, C.J. Henderson, Cam Dantzler, Noah Igbinoghene, Parnell Motley, D.J. Daniel, A.J. Terrell, Eric Stokes, Roger McCreary, and Trevon Diggs.
Noah Igbinoghene: Ja'Marr Chase really only won one rep against Noah. It was a deep cross (sounds familiar, right?) where Joe Burrow was allowed to comfortably hold the ball for over three seconds while Chase ran the entire width of the football field with Noah about half a step behind him. Ball was perfect and Chase caught it with Igbinoghene breathing down his neck. That's a win for Chase. Nice play. Noah struggled repeatedly on the same routes against Stefon Diggs, and Diggs clearly created more separation on those routes. But that was really it for Chase's winning. Noah broke up two passes intended for Ja'Marr Chase. He also stopped Ja'Marr Chase dead in his tracks on a screen pass on 4th & 2 from the goal line. Noah held him up long enough for help to get there and take Chase down well shy of the end zone. It was a nice play by Igbinoghene. The thing I noticed with all the other coverage reps was how easily Noah seemed to stay in Chase's hip pocket.
Roger McCreary: During that Auburn game, the big plays Chase made, he did that on Roger McCreary. Those two had a nice battle. Chase won some big ones, and so he carries the day. But McCreary also won a big one as he out-muscled Chase one-on-one for an interception on a deep ball. He also showed some keen physicality in the red zone, disrupting Chase on his route and blanketing him.
Parnell Motley: I am comfortable with saying that Parnell Motley straight up won the duel. And that was after Ja'Marr Chase had talked sh-t about Motley to the press the week leading up to the game. You could tell those comments fired Parnell up and he went out there and performed. No catches. No won reps for Chase. Several times they were locked in man coverage and Burrow looked over that direction, he had to come off it and either move along with his reads or tuck the ball. One time, he did throw to Chase on Motley, and Parnell broke up the pass. It was a clean win for Motley. They did face off with one another plenty enough for Chase to get in his licks. He just...didn't.
Pat Surtain, Jr.: Surtain looked very comfortable covering Ja'Marr Chase. The latter DID catch two balls, but they were not clean wins against Surtain. One of them was a switch release where one of Chase's teammates chipped Surtain on the shoulder, freeing Chase up for the catch. That's not really a win for Ja'Marr. The other catch it looked like Surtain had deepest-man responsibility with outside leverage in one of Saban's coverages, and the safety to his inside got sucked up toward the line of scrimmage because Joe Burrow faked like he was going to do a keeper draw up the middle. You could see the underneath safety get sucked up and then pull an "oh sh-t" when Burrow stopped and passed the football to Chase on the in-breaking route. That's not really Surtain's fault. I could be wrong. If Surtain was in MEG then I'm wrong. But the rest of the day, Surtain had Ja'Marr blanketed. There was at least one more rep where they were manned up and Burrow looked that direction but had to tuck the football and run because it wasn't there. In order to do damage in this game, Chase had to flip over and face Trevon Diggs.
Trevon Diggs: Lost. And it was bad. Just, I don't even know what the hell he was doing out there. Give Chase this win cleanly. It impacted the game. Diggs's hips looked awful.
Cam Dantzler: Now, to be fair, the matchup with Cam Dantzler wasn't really much of a matchup at all. The two just didn't face off much in man. Dantzler was part of bracket coverage on Chase some of the time, and other times they were just on different sides. But you do have to give the win to Dantzler, though with the caveat it was on a low number of reps. While Chase did straight up beat Cam on a quick out with his physical strength, it was only a 6 yard play. It's a win, give it to him, but it wasn't a bad win. On the other hand, the two went vertical down the field in man, and Burrow threw it, but Dantzler had him all the way and it was very nearly intercepted. It was similar to that Roger McCreary interception, but Dantzler didn't finish it. Still a big win.
Eric Stokes: I have to say, Ja'Marr Chase created quite a bit of separation against Eric Stokes of Georgia, and with regularity. Stokes was getting jammed up all over the place trying to keep up with Chase's breaks. I think he fell to the ground two, maybe three times. On one of them, Chase ended up catching a TD in the back of the end zone. In Eric Stokes's defense, Joe Burrow had like 4 hours to finally throw that ball, and technically the defender trying to (unsuccessfully) break it up at the end was a safety, not Stokes. But the reason is because Stokes fell down trying to keep up with Chase's break, got up and tried to close on Ja'Marr like a screaming banshee, and fell off again as Chase decided to break the other direction on the scramble drill while the safety tried his best to catch up. I will say that Stokes did manage to break up a deep ball to Chase. But if you look at the All-22, I thought it was a clear win for Chase on the day.
D.J. Daniel: I thought D.J. Daniel did a much better job on Chase in that Georgia game than Stokes did. There was one play where Chase hit Daniel with a hard fake to the outside and then an inside move that left Daniel behind as Ja'Marr caught the ball and got some nice YAC. That was a nice win for Ja'Marr. But overall this matchup with Daniel felt a lot like the Noah Igbinoghene matchup, where Chase had one nice play for a medium gain, but then rep after rep after rep, the other guy won the rest of the way out. Daniel's game, the way he played Chase, it actually reminded me quite a bit of Parnell Motley. He showed good athleticism and hips, and for his weight class, he wasn't afraid to be physical with Chase. And it worked.
C.J. Henderson: This was a fun matchup and overall I thought Henderson won. I think he broke up three or four pass attempts during the game. He broke up the deep pass in the end zone. He was all over Chase on two in-breaking routes, breaking up one of them. Henderson broke up an underneath route. He jammed Chase hard at the line a couple times, really disrupting Chase and not letting him get into his route. Chase did a catch on a speed out versus Henderson's off coverage. I wouldn't count it at all, except that Henderson fell off the tackle. So that's a win for Chase on RAC, let's be fair. Really the only big win for Chase against Henderson's coverage was a run to daylight off RPO against Henderson playing 7 yards off him. Nothing fancy, just broke inside and the ball was on him right away and he secured it just before Henderson came through him to try and break it up. Henderson was late, and would call that a loss, especially as it was a TD, but there was nothing Chase did on the play to make Henderson lose. As for the big long TD everyone saw on the highlight reel, it wasn't a win for Chase. Henderson was picked hard on the switch release by Chase's teammate. That's a win for the blocker, not a win of Chase vs. Henderson. It was the same as the Surtain pick play that Chase caught.
A.J. Terrell: R.I.P.
Overall Impressions: I realize that Ja'Marr Chase was like 19 years old when he was doing his damage. I also realize that sometimes you've got to evaluate what the player is doing and what his traits are, not just keep a scorecard of the wins and losses. On both of those bases, as well as what Chase did to A.J. Terrell and Trevon Diggs, this is why Chase belongs as a good prospect. That said, this was a really somewhat concerning exercise. The guys with quick hips, speed, and physical WILL (even if they're not particularly big or strong) were keeping up with Chase in coverage and winning the reps. That includes D.J. Daniel, Noah Igbinoghene, C.J. Henderson, Parnell Motley, and Cam Dantzler. Yes, those are all NFL players. Well, at least I think Daniel might be an NFL player if he's got his mind right. But not all of them are necessarily good NFL players. So the fact Chase could look kind of mediocre against them rep after rep after rep...during the year when he was supposed to be this ungodly force of nature...isn't that a concern? It's enough to keep me focused on Devonta Smith. And probably enough to see me favoring Jaylen Waddle.
I went back and watched his complete work against Pat Surtain Jr, C.J. Henderson, Cam Dantzler, Noah Igbinoghene, Parnell Motley, D.J. Daniel, A.J. Terrell, Eric Stokes, Roger McCreary, and Trevon Diggs.
Noah Igbinoghene: Ja'Marr Chase really only won one rep against Noah. It was a deep cross (sounds familiar, right?) where Joe Burrow was allowed to comfortably hold the ball for over three seconds while Chase ran the entire width of the football field with Noah about half a step behind him. Ball was perfect and Chase caught it with Igbinoghene breathing down his neck. That's a win for Chase. Nice play. Noah struggled repeatedly on the same routes against Stefon Diggs, and Diggs clearly created more separation on those routes. But that was really it for Chase's winning. Noah broke up two passes intended for Ja'Marr Chase. He also stopped Ja'Marr Chase dead in his tracks on a screen pass on 4th & 2 from the goal line. Noah held him up long enough for help to get there and take Chase down well shy of the end zone. It was a nice play by Igbinoghene. The thing I noticed with all the other coverage reps was how easily Noah seemed to stay in Chase's hip pocket.
Roger McCreary: During that Auburn game, the big plays Chase made, he did that on Roger McCreary. Those two had a nice battle. Chase won some big ones, and so he carries the day. But McCreary also won a big one as he out-muscled Chase one-on-one for an interception on a deep ball. He also showed some keen physicality in the red zone, disrupting Chase on his route and blanketing him.
Parnell Motley: I am comfortable with saying that Parnell Motley straight up won the duel. And that was after Ja'Marr Chase had talked sh-t about Motley to the press the week leading up to the game. You could tell those comments fired Parnell up and he went out there and performed. No catches. No won reps for Chase. Several times they were locked in man coverage and Burrow looked over that direction, he had to come off it and either move along with his reads or tuck the ball. One time, he did throw to Chase on Motley, and Parnell broke up the pass. It was a clean win for Motley. They did face off with one another plenty enough for Chase to get in his licks. He just...didn't.
Pat Surtain, Jr.: Surtain looked very comfortable covering Ja'Marr Chase. The latter DID catch two balls, but they were not clean wins against Surtain. One of them was a switch release where one of Chase's teammates chipped Surtain on the shoulder, freeing Chase up for the catch. That's not really a win for Ja'Marr. The other catch it looked like Surtain had deepest-man responsibility with outside leverage in one of Saban's coverages, and the safety to his inside got sucked up toward the line of scrimmage because Joe Burrow faked like he was going to do a keeper draw up the middle. You could see the underneath safety get sucked up and then pull an "oh sh-t" when Burrow stopped and passed the football to Chase on the in-breaking route. That's not really Surtain's fault. I could be wrong. If Surtain was in MEG then I'm wrong. But the rest of the day, Surtain had Ja'Marr blanketed. There was at least one more rep where they were manned up and Burrow looked that direction but had to tuck the football and run because it wasn't there. In order to do damage in this game, Chase had to flip over and face Trevon Diggs.
Trevon Diggs: Lost. And it was bad. Just, I don't even know what the hell he was doing out there. Give Chase this win cleanly. It impacted the game. Diggs's hips looked awful.
Cam Dantzler: Now, to be fair, the matchup with Cam Dantzler wasn't really much of a matchup at all. The two just didn't face off much in man. Dantzler was part of bracket coverage on Chase some of the time, and other times they were just on different sides. But you do have to give the win to Dantzler, though with the caveat it was on a low number of reps. While Chase did straight up beat Cam on a quick out with his physical strength, it was only a 6 yard play. It's a win, give it to him, but it wasn't a bad win. On the other hand, the two went vertical down the field in man, and Burrow threw it, but Dantzler had him all the way and it was very nearly intercepted. It was similar to that Roger McCreary interception, but Dantzler didn't finish it. Still a big win.
Eric Stokes: I have to say, Ja'Marr Chase created quite a bit of separation against Eric Stokes of Georgia, and with regularity. Stokes was getting jammed up all over the place trying to keep up with Chase's breaks. I think he fell to the ground two, maybe three times. On one of them, Chase ended up catching a TD in the back of the end zone. In Eric Stokes's defense, Joe Burrow had like 4 hours to finally throw that ball, and technically the defender trying to (unsuccessfully) break it up at the end was a safety, not Stokes. But the reason is because Stokes fell down trying to keep up with Chase's break, got up and tried to close on Ja'Marr like a screaming banshee, and fell off again as Chase decided to break the other direction on the scramble drill while the safety tried his best to catch up. I will say that Stokes did manage to break up a deep ball to Chase. But if you look at the All-22, I thought it was a clear win for Chase on the day.
D.J. Daniel: I thought D.J. Daniel did a much better job on Chase in that Georgia game than Stokes did. There was one play where Chase hit Daniel with a hard fake to the outside and then an inside move that left Daniel behind as Ja'Marr caught the ball and got some nice YAC. That was a nice win for Ja'Marr. But overall this matchup with Daniel felt a lot like the Noah Igbinoghene matchup, where Chase had one nice play for a medium gain, but then rep after rep after rep, the other guy won the rest of the way out. Daniel's game, the way he played Chase, it actually reminded me quite a bit of Parnell Motley. He showed good athleticism and hips, and for his weight class, he wasn't afraid to be physical with Chase. And it worked.
C.J. Henderson: This was a fun matchup and overall I thought Henderson won. I think he broke up three or four pass attempts during the game. He broke up the deep pass in the end zone. He was all over Chase on two in-breaking routes, breaking up one of them. Henderson broke up an underneath route. He jammed Chase hard at the line a couple times, really disrupting Chase and not letting him get into his route. Chase did a catch on a speed out versus Henderson's off coverage. I wouldn't count it at all, except that Henderson fell off the tackle. So that's a win for Chase on RAC, let's be fair. Really the only big win for Chase against Henderson's coverage was a run to daylight off RPO against Henderson playing 7 yards off him. Nothing fancy, just broke inside and the ball was on him right away and he secured it just before Henderson came through him to try and break it up. Henderson was late, and would call that a loss, especially as it was a TD, but there was nothing Chase did on the play to make Henderson lose. As for the big long TD everyone saw on the highlight reel, it wasn't a win for Chase. Henderson was picked hard on the switch release by Chase's teammate. That's a win for the blocker, not a win of Chase vs. Henderson. It was the same as the Surtain pick play that Chase caught.
A.J. Terrell: R.I.P.
Overall Impressions: I realize that Ja'Marr Chase was like 19 years old when he was doing his damage. I also realize that sometimes you've got to evaluate what the player is doing and what his traits are, not just keep a scorecard of the wins and losses. On both of those bases, as well as what Chase did to A.J. Terrell and Trevon Diggs, this is why Chase belongs as a good prospect. That said, this was a really somewhat concerning exercise. The guys with quick hips, speed, and physical WILL (even if they're not particularly big or strong) were keeping up with Chase in coverage and winning the reps. That includes D.J. Daniel, Noah Igbinoghene, C.J. Henderson, Parnell Motley, and Cam Dantzler. Yes, those are all NFL players. Well, at least I think Daniel might be an NFL player if he's got his mind right. But not all of them are necessarily good NFL players. So the fact Chase could look kind of mediocre against them rep after rep after rep...during the year when he was supposed to be this ungodly force of nature...isn't that a concern? It's enough to keep me focused on Devonta Smith. And probably enough to see me favoring Jaylen Waddle.
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