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Ill start this thread by saying I like Joe Philbin. I like his game management and believe he is looking to build a roster the correct way.

Jeff Ireland

His job is to maximise the talent level within the constraints of the salary cap.

IMO his biggest failures have been, not hitting on low end draft picks. Too many do not contribute at all, which consistantly leaves us with a lack of depth throughout the roster.

Failure to foresee potential problems. WR. We traded a top 5 WR for 2 3rd RND draft picks. Terrible but what makes it worse is that it was obvious to everyone that we had no legitimate pass catching threat. Jeff Ireland though decides to sign Chad Ochocinco and draft BJ Cunningham & Rishard Matthews, Passing on M.Sanu, TY Hilton & Chris Givens. Shocking!

This left us with no choice but to overpay for a FA WR, due to the lack of elite talent at the position in the 2013 draft. Surely JI should have foreseen this.

O'line. Jake Long walks. John Jerry has had continual weight issues. J.Martin struggled his rookie year. I have no issues with moving Martin to LT or the signing of Tyson Clabo, but surely JI should have foreseen that issues could have arisen or at minimum got some type of depth behind 3 players who there were question marks over (Martin, Clabo & Jerry). I love the Dion Jordan pick, but we already had Wake, Odrick, Shelby and Vernon. In a draft considered to have no top end elite talent, but with great depth, what do we do....Trade up!

We could have stayed at #12, drafted Kyle Long. He could have competed for both RG/RT. IMO a 1st round pick should be someone who has the potential to start day 1 and should improve a weakness on your depth chart.

There were other options. Draft Cordarrelle Paterson and build through draft as oppose to overpaying Wallace in FA.

In a draft considered to have excellent DT available in RND 1, we could have chosen not to franchise Starks, Drafted anyone of S.Richardson, Lotulelei or S.Floyd and used that money to sign one of the best pass protecting gaurds in NFL Andy Levitre. This would have also allowed Incognito to move to his best position of RG.

Im sure others have different scenarios.

Why did we overpay for Wheeler & Ellerbe, when we had 2 LB's in Dansby & Burnett who were more proven? Surely JI could have restructured their contracts??

Consider this. What if we had never traded Brandon Marshall or Vontae Davis? We never got anything really out of their draft picks. Marshall would be on less money than Wallace & Davis probably less than what we are paying D.Patterson.

Ireland is a GM who will keep us around 8-8 mark, drafting decent but never enough to have a serious playoff run.

Sherman

Simple. Run the ****ing ball more!
 
Called for Ty Hilton, he's probably going to be a better mike Wallace, but Ireland couldn't find talent if it slapped him in the mouth.
 
I'll do you one better OP....They both need to be shot out of Miami through a tree shredder!!!!
 
Im not sure why everyone is freaking out. Our offensive line is only 4 first round picks away from being fixed. Well...maybe 5, Pouncy's contract is up in two years.

Anyways, in the meantime we have a stop gap:

 
And you would replace Ireland with whom?? every GM has flaws, Coyle asked for blitzing LB´s with more speed so Ireland brings wheeler and ellerbee, Sherman wants weapons for Tannehill and Ireland brings Wallace, Gibson and Keller. a GM brings the best player available for the Philosophy of play for the team. the only major flaw was not addressing the O line properly but there were not to many options, KC asking joe Thomas money for Albert, McKinnie not a long term fix, and the list on and on ...Clabo on paper was a lot better grab than McKinnie, if Clabo plays to his standards and keller doesn't get hurt we would be praying for Ireland to stay for 10 more years.

now the 3 step drop call Sherman made knowing clabo was 1-1 with Mario Williams requires a real evaluation about the IQ of our OC.
 
realdolphin said:
And you would replace Ireland with whom?? every GM has flaws, Coyle asked for blitzing LB´s with more speed so Ireland brings wheeler and ellerbee, Sherman wants weapons for Tannehill and Ireland brings Wallace, Gibson and Keller. a GM brings the best player available for the Philosophy of play for the team. the only major flaw was not addressing the O line properly but there were not to many options, KC asking joe Thomas money for Albert, McKinnie not a long term fix, and the list on and on ...Clabo on paper was a lot better grab than McKinnie, if Clabo plays to his standards and keller doesn't get hurt we would be praying for Ireland to stay for 10 more years.

now the 3 step drop call Sherman made knowing clabo was 1-1 with Mario Williams requires a real evaluation about the IQ of our OC.
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You make a fair point, but its JI job to foresee with each draft the roster for future years. Losing Marshall & not drafting a WR was criminal. Knowing potentially we would lose Jake Long, together with John Jerry's struggles and no depth behind them, you have to have more in place rather than just hoping some good FA (whom I believe Clabo was at time of signing) falls into your lap and plays well day 1.

Lets be honest, Dion Jordan was a luxury pick, of which we did not have quality or depth to make. In a draft with depth rather than top quality, to trade up and pick a luxury pick was terrible.
 
realdolphin said:
And you would replace Ireland with whom?? every GM has flaws, Coyle asked for blitzing LB´s with more speed so Ireland brings wheeler and ellerbee, Sherman wants weapons for Tannehill and Ireland brings Wallace, Gibson and Keller. a GM brings the best player available for the Philosophy of play for the team. the only major flaw was not addressing the O line properly but there were not to many options, KC asking joe Thomas money for Albert, McKinnie not a long term fix, and the list on and on ...Clabo on paper was a lot better grab than McKinnie, if Clabo plays to his standards and keller doesn't get hurt we would be praying for Ireland to stay for 10 more years.

now the 3 step drop call Sherman made knowing clabo was 1-1 with Mario Williams requires a real evaluation about the IQ of our OC.
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Post of the year!!! Funny how when we were 3-0 Jeff was a city hero, brought us all this great talent. 3 games later the same talent is on the field but now Jeff is a bum. Using the Parcell's analogy, Jeff brought in the food, and after three gourmet meals everyone was happy, but with the same food we get 3 straight burnt meals and suddenly it's the fault of the one who bought the food?? I don't care how you look at it there is more than enough talent on this team to beat the freaking bills with their 3rd string QB on OUR field after a bye. That is on the COACHES not the GM. This team had enough talent to beat the browns on the road, colts on the road and the falcons, and they were flat out outcoached the last two games.

Personally I don't want either of them gone yet. If we continue losing and go 7-9 I might change my mind, but if Ireland is gone then I want Philbin gone as well. This team on paper was considerably better than last year. If that doesn't translate to the field then that is on the coaches. Some of the fans on here think a GM should be able to tell the future. You give me any name of any GM and I can assure you I can show you a time when he miss read the way certain players were going to pan out. Claybo was one of my favorite signing, and I would have never guessed he would have been so bad, and no body could have predicted that Keller was going to be out for the year. This isn't college, you aren't going to get a coach that is going to turn around a team in one season and make them winners every year, unless you hit on an elite QB like Brady or Brees. Prove me wrong, show me another team that wins every year without an elite QB.

I will tell you this much, if we had picked up Peyton instead of Ryan you can bet we would be better than 3-3 right now. I am not saying that is what I wanted, but it all comes down to QB play, and right now ours is not playing winning football. But he has plenty of room for growth and is getting better. Ireland has put together a team that if we had Peyton or Brees we would be 5-1. I am not saying Ireland shouldn't be looked at closely and if things continue to fall apart then fine send them all down the road, but keep in mind you should judge how a team looks on paper to judge a GM and how they look on the field to judge a coach. Right now they look much better on paper than on the field.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
Post of the year!!! Funny how when we were 3-0 Jeff was a city hero, brought us all this great talent. 3 games later the same talent is on the field but now Jeff is a bum. Using the Parcell's analogy, Jeff brought in the food, and after three gourmet meals everyone was happy, but with the same food we get 3 straight burnt meals and suddenly it's t.
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Its also funny how EVERYONE misuses the word EVERYONE on this board. I'm someone, I was never happy with Ireland even when we were 3-0, therefore, not EVERYONE was happy.
 
roy_miami said:
Its also funny how EVERYONE misuses the word EVERYONE on this board. I'm someone, I was never happy with Ireland even when we were 3-0, therefore, not EVERYONE was happy.
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LOL, ok have it your way. ALMOST everyone, except "someone". Is that better ??

I am sure there were some who after 3 games still hated Jeff, just because some have their own agenda. I will say however if you were one of those you hid it well. From your posts I didn't see a single one of yours between the end of the 3rd game and the start of the 4th, where you had anything bad to say about Jeff.
 
KTOWNFINFAN said:
. I will say however if you were one of those you hid it well. From your posts I didn't see a single one of yours between the end of the 3rd game and the start of the 4th, where you had anything bad to say about Jeff.
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I didn't post anything bad about Hitler during that time either, I guess that must mean I love him...
 
I think you are off slightly. Ireland and Sherman have to go. Ireland for what has been stated previously. Sherman because he constantly changes from what is working to something that is not, i.e. we have to scoring drives with predominately running the ball mixed in with the pass and what does he do? He starts throwing the ball and abandons the ground game.
 
Mike Sherman isn't a great OC, but what's going on with this offense isn't his fault. A couple of things:

1. Mike Sherman wants to run the ball more, it is JOE PHILBIN who wants to be pass happy. That is a fact. Both coaches have talked about that.

2. Mike Sherman isn't responsible for having the personnel that he's stuck with.
 
I just don't understand fans with opinions that are set in stone no matter what happens. There are some on here who would blame Ireland for a hurricane headed our way, and others who would protect him no matter what. Same with Philbin or even RT. It is hard to have a reasonable debate with people when every bad thing that happens has to be Ireland's fault and every good thing has to be Philbin. Early in the season you could see the new pieces had made us better, but since then it seems the coaches have not been able to put the pieces in the right places or prepare the players for what they were going to see on the field each sunday. Some how, some way some of the fans have placed that on Ireland. I really can't understand that.

There isn't a team in the league that doesn't have holes. It is the GMs job to close some of the holes in the offseason. No GM can fix them all, or he would have a pro bowl roster every year. 2 years ago everyone was saying Jeff was horrible because he wouldn't do what he had to do to get us a QB. We got a QB. Then it was he was horrible because we didn't have great WRs, and let the only decent one we DID have go for next to nothing (that part I agree with. Wish we still had Marshall), but then this year we go out and bring in a very good pass catching TE, a high priced, field stretching WR, and another very good WR in Gibson. Now it is "how could he not have fixed the OL"?? One thing is 100% clear, this fan base would not support ANY GM that didn't win, even though that isn't the GMs job. We could have a GM that brings in the entire AFC probowl team but if the coach wasn't coaching them and they went 7-9, there would be many on this board wanting the GM fired.

No GM can win football games, not one EVER. That is on the coaches and players. If you were one of the few that still wanted Jeff fired after we were 3-0 then fine, but what has happened since we were 3-0 to where we are now is more on the coaches, the players Jeff brought in are still the same. I am not saying I love Ireland, but I can see a better team on paper this year than we had last, and a better team last year than the year before. If you disagree that too is fine, but don't confuse the team on paper (Ireland) to the team's level of performance (Philbin).
 
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