Jesse Davis

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  1. malzacher

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    its been a minute since I've been on here but was wondering what everyone's/Fins thoughts are on Davis. Did He do well enough to get a starting job next year and if that's the case, does that make offensive line less of a priority?
     
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    You posted this in the draft forum.

    At this point between him, Asiata and Larsen . . . RG is the position I would gamble on to get a competent starter between the 3.

    Keep James, Pouncey and Tunsil

    I actually think our depth is as good as I have seen in some time.

    But LG is still a major priority tho and we need a good asset, whether financially or day 1/2 draft pick wise utilized on it.

    Norwell is too rich, but I am all for spending in that 8-10 million range in FA or all the way to pick 11 if need be to solve it. Enough is enough.
     
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    Haha oops.. thanks for the feedback, I have similar thoughts about our offensive line. If they don't use the money for Landry, then they better use it for the line. Because that investment makes Tannehill so much better, makes every qb better. Offensive line is more important to this team than Landry IMO.
     
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    I mean they can address LG with or without Landry resigning.
     
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    There are a few good options in the first two rounds as far as guard goes. Nelson, Hernandez, Wynn, Smith
     
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    In the little I watched him, Davis is better as OG than OT. Still need another OG
     
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    We need one LG and we're going to go imo. Even if James is let go we still have Smith and Davis to compete there and Sterup too. I see no way the FO goes guard at 11. They could have gone guard last year instead of Harris but didn't so why would they go guard even higher. If they get one in free agency then I don't expect them to go o-line at all in the draft unless is round 6 or 7

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    I’m sure we’ll over-pay for a FA guard who isn’t accretive to winning and we’ll let Landry walk. No more big money FAs outside of your own. Get some more young players in and do your damn jobs in developing players for crying out loud. Plug and play FA doesn’t work.
     
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    Worked well for the Rams.
     
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    Hmm, I thought he was better at RT than RG lol. I'd rather keep Davis at RT, cut James, and try to find an upgrade at the guard spots. We can keep Larsen at for depth at any interior spot. Asiata might be able to contribute, Brendel is getting better. Maybe sign an above average G in free agency, and then address it again on day 2 of the draft.

    Pouncey will probably stay (ugh), but if we did cut him, Mason Cole is an option, or maybe use his money saved in FA for a replacement
     
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    I think he played really well. Now if we can just not make the same mistake we made last year, which is taking our good guard and moving him to tackle and letting the tackle walk. That didnt work out well at all. Albert wouldve been a great asset for us last year. Keep James. Keep Davis at RG. Draft a center and let him play LG while Pouncey finishes out the last bits of his career.
     
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    I've been adamant I wouldn't spend big on a G nor would I take one at number 11. If we keep James we could possibly have 2 starting guards on the roster as I'm not counting out Asiata because he didn't contribute as a rookie. James is Key though if he walks I think Davis plays RT and we would indeed need to add competition at guard. I still use FA or a non first round draft pick to fill it. I want an impact defensive player, if possible at 11. I'm sick of watching us do a decent job covering WR's and get eaten alive by TEs and RB's. Until we fix that we're doomed.
     
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    I think so. He was one of the pleasant surprises this year. The offensive line definitely improved as the season went on, but I still think the team needs a legitimate LG whether in free agency or in the draft.
     
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    IDK. They had a new HC and their QB developed significantly. The examples of failure w this approach far outweigh the successes. Good example is our own OV going to the Giants on that huge contract. He’s played well but they way over-paid.
     
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    First of all we better not pick a frikin OG in round 1, especially at 11. We better get a premium position there like DE, CB, elite DT, elite FS, or elite MLB. OGs in the NFL should be drafted round 3/4.

    Davis did well enough to earn a starting job, so I think it’s his spot to lose at RG, possibly RT.
     
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    I think the biggest issue is, We have 2 RGs in Asiata and Davis and a guy in Larsen who says his best position is RG. At LG it is all crickets. Biggest hole on the team.
     
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    And Bushrod won't be back. I expect he's done.
     
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    DE@11 please.
     
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    I'm beginning to believe Chubb might fall.
     
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    You don't think he'd fall all the way to 11, do you?

    Ozzy rules!!
     
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    Davis and Asiata should man the guard spots. Although, I hear this draft is deep at interior linemen.
     
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    He's just slipped from top 5, IMO. He's the best of the class but not generational is what I've heard. I've only seen highlights so far, though.

    I know if his 3 cone doesn't impress he could go at 11, lol...
     
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    Presumption is the destroyer.

    Asiata may not even be on a roster next year. He may be practice squad material.

    Ted Larson is bad lineman. If he starts at RG expect grades just as low as Bushrod's.
     
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    Why are you presuming we cut a 5th round pick at an area of need?

    Larsen was not a terrible eyesore at LG, also considering he had a torn bicep that’s not that bad. Why do you presume he’s “bad”? He’s decent depth for every interior position.

    Sorry but after your mock offseason of “substantial reality” not many will take you very serious my friend
     
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    Davis showed enough to be considered at RG. Larsen is a below average starter. Asiata is unproven and couldn't even see any game time in 2017. Eric Smith is another guy who is still unproven. If James is back it should be at a reasonable cap figure not the crazy amount he is scheduled to make with the option. Sam Young is just meh, and at best a below average backup OT. Zach Sterup is like a giant sloth trying to play OT. He shouldn't be starting in the NFL. Tunsil needs to improve, be more consistent and finally play up to his pre draft hype. Jake Brendel played well at times when he was called upon. He should be ok as the backup Center. However counting on Pouncey to stay healthy for an entire season and play at the level expected by his salary figure is why this team will continue to fail. It is not like Gase has a proven O-Line guru on his staff. So at the bare minimum the team needs to add more talent at OG and C.
     
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    Fist of all, I'm really sorry that your mind lacks the scope to absorb what was written in the aforementioned thread, but it really isn't my fault.

    I watched every game Larson played in as an Arizona Cardinal when he was in his prime. He sucked bad, and Cardinal fans despised his play. He is no longer in his prime and should probably hang up the cleats, but as long as someone is dumb enough to pay him; why should he?

    As far as Asiata goes, for crying out loud, get a clue. Every opportunity in the world for him to step in was there last year, but the coaches couldn't use him because he just doesn't have the movement ability and skills for the NFL.
     
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    Irony.
     
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    Davis RG
    Larsen - backups both G position
    2 REALISTIC OPTIONS:
    Sign C Jansen & Draft LG Rd2
    SIgn LG Pugh & Draft Center
    OLine Built with depth.
     
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    It's not even complicated. The team has to do what it failed to do in the off season last year. DRAFT a stud C/G combo guy. Start him at LG and slide him to pivot when Pouncey goes down. It has to be the right guy, of course, but if our scouts are doing their jobs we have a short list already. No more washed up line man.
     
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    lol. that is all.
     
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    I don't want a single player who started at G or C in 2016 to start in 2017. If Asiata doesn't make huge gains he's definitely in danger of being cut, the fact that he couldn't even get on the field with straight bums ahead of him is downright pathetic. Penciling him in a starter next season at this point of the year is beyond silly.
     
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    This is probably going to depend on if the FO can sign James to a more cap friendly long term deal instead of the 5th year option (which is way too much for a guy who has trouble staying on the field).

    That being said, Larsen said he is more comfortable at RG but who knows if they will give him a shot there. Asiata is probably a RG so that may be the competition as Davis may just get a longer look at LG while they do very little in FA or high in the draft to address the interior. Eric Smith will get in the competition as well if he can stay healthy. I look for maybe a few UDFA signings and maybe a low draft picks...7th round.
     
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    Billy Price is who you want. Or who I would want anyhow.
     
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    About how we used some of our rookie linemen:

    1) Our past two drafts have been good drafts and we did select some linemen.
    2) We have been slow to use these rookies with players ahead of them.
    3) When we did start to use those rookies I felt we got average to above average performance from them, rookie mistakes & all.
    4) Coach Gase has acknowledged that he may have held some rookies back too long. This means it is likely that he will now be putting them on the field sooner than he had been doing.

    To me this means we will be seeing some those the rookie linemen used as for starters, and will see some of this years rookies on the field at some time. If this is the case, some of those "problem" positions many posters seemed focused correcting via the draft, may end up not being problems at all.

    About the rookie Asiata:

    1) I felt he was a good draft pick in terms of promise as an effective NFL Guard.
    2) The coaching staff said he wasn't NFL ready yet and basically redshirted him last year.
    3) This year we will probably see him on the field. Presuming he will not make the practice squad seems totally unfounded. After he has played a few games we will be able to analyze his performance and determine if he has, or looks like he will live up to his anticipated potential.

    This seems to be in line with how the current coaching staffs is using the rookies.

    Just so you know, my choice for our first round draft pick has been and continues to be Quenton Nelson, a Guard. I think he will be one of the BPA's and probably better than most of the others players available at pick 11.
     
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    I believe Asiata said the coaches told him he didn't play because his foot speed/ foot-work was not up to par. He said he would spend the off-season continuing to work on it. That tells me he's got about a 50/50 shot of developing into something decent.
     
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    you aren't getting billy price at 43

    probably gonna carry a top 25 grade
     
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    Here's a fun fact for ya.....

    JaWuan James has missed 17 games in 4 years. Mike Pouncey has missed only 19 games in 7 years in comparison.

    Do we really want to COUNT on these guys in 2018? Is that the wise thing to do? I know it would leave more holes on a team in dire need of starters but how long do we continue to do this? What are the chances Pouncey puts together back to back 16 game seasons?

    What would happen if we just let James walk and cut Pouncey? We are set to spend over $18M on these two players. Aren't there better options out there?

    LT Tunsil
    LG
    C
    RG Larsen/Asiata/Smith
    RT Davis
     
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    I think Frank Ragnow should also be in the conversation

    Started 33 consecutive games and didn’t allow a sack over 2,603 career snaps at center and right guard before sustaining a season-ending ankle injury during the Auburn game on Oct. 21 … Had only missed 43 offensive snaps since becoming a permanent starter as a sophomore in 2015.

    http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/roster/frank-ragnow/
     
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    Sign me up. Smith could also be a swing tackle for us. But I used to defend James, he's an average player - good at times, and also pretty bad at times, but he has become too injury prone. EYE POPPING numbers comparing his games played/missed with pouncey. wow. I'd be more inclined to rescind James' option and keep pouncey even, but still drafting his replacement. Also, Brendel looks like good depth at the very least and Larsen has played C before too I believe.

    Time to move on
     
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    Indeed, he may be my second favorite OL not named Quenton Nelson, *especially* if you want a center.
     
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