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Jim Mora Jr

Besides the fact that Mora is a defensive coach, he installed the West Coast offense in Atlanta, which from all accounts is not the type of offense Saban is interested in, and from many opinions not the kind of offense that Michael Vick is comfortable in.
 
I live in Atlanta,, and i have to tell you guys.. Mora is a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.. He was in San Fran before he came to ATL,, he brought Knapp with him to run the offense. People in Atlanta blame everything on Knapp, but half the problem is Vick.. But in Atlanta Vick is GOD and ourfans try to blame averybody and anybody but him for our offense being last in passing
 
as some friendly advice from the Atlanta. You guys dont want Jim Mora Jr. he sucks, he's dumb, and has terrible coordinaters.
 
I live in Atlanta,, and i have to tell you guys.. Mora is a DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.. He was in San Fran before he came to ATL,, he brought Knapp with him to run the offense. People in Atlanta blame everything on Knapp, but half the problem is Vick.. But in Atlanta Vick is GOD and ourfans try to blame averybody and anybody but him for our offense being last in passing
Your an idiot if you live in atlanta and think vick is half the problems
 
yeah..

You guys missed the point about him bringing in Knapp from SF. Where did Jim Mora Jr. come from. The 49ers, and what was he? The defense coordinator. Thats like saying if Marvin Lewis got fired he should be a teams offensive coordinator, due to Cincinati's greta offense, which Atlanta doesn't even have.

As for Vick complaining...that is never relevant.
Vick always complains and blames things on others. He has no character, and isn't an NFL caliber Qb, just an NFL caliber athlete, with a strong arm and exceptional speed. He may be the least accurate qb to ever start multiple seasons in the NFL, and that include smany that are out of the nfl now. 90% of his td passes were ones that I could have thrown. Easy, lobs...where the was no coverage, to wide open receivers. His receivers do get open. Its a fact that everyone overlooks due to their dropped passes, but if all of those passes were caught, Vicks seaosn would still be no where near impressive, passing wise.
 
Also...

Jim Mora isn't dumb, hes just not an offensive specialist. Hall of fame coaches could not turn Vick into a good passer. Many Atlanta fans want to shift the blame anywhere, because of their love-affair with Vicks highlight reels, but if you think that Vick is your answer at qb, then I hope your coaches agree with you because in that case the Atlanta Falcons will never be a Super Bowl contender.
 
You guys missed the point about him bringing in Knapp from SF. Where did Jim Mora Jr. come from. The 49ers, and what was he? The defense coordinator. Thats like saying if Marvin Lewis got fired he should be a teams offensive coordinator, due to Cincinati's greta offense, which Atlanta doesn't even have.

As for Vick complaining...that is never relevant.
Vick always complains and blames things on others. He has no character, and isn't an NFL caliber Qb, just an NFL caliber athlete, with a strong arm and exceptional speed. He may be the least accurate qb to ever start multiple seasons in the NFL, and that include smany that are out of the nfl now. 90% of his td passes were ones that I could have thrown. Easy, lobs...where the was no coverage, to wide open receivers. His receivers do get open. Its a fact that everyone overlooks due to their dropped passes, but if all of those passes were caught, Vicks seaosn would still be no where near impressive, passing wise.
Your an idiot 90% of TD passes werent lobs. If you watch the Falcons you will see that a lot of his TD were laser trying to get it in a confined space. His receivers dont get open and they do drop a lot of passes and if they caught all of his passes he would have a over 60% passing and more TDs and yards. SO GO B i t ch about your own team. Didnt vick light your a sses up last year. :lol:
 
That is factually untrue.

I meant that many of his throws are simple lobs, and 90% of his td passes were easy ones, which is completely true. NO, they were not "LASERS". His only lasers were one throw from 3 yards out, and another from 12, where he threw it past a guy or two to a receiver. Every qb (even the not-so-good ones: look at Kyle Bollers throw last week) make occasional good throws. He has a strong arm, thats never been doubted. Of course when he tried to bullet it to recievers, a couple of them were by default be complete, since he does have the talent to make such throws. No, Vick didn't "pass all over" anyone last year, especially considering before this year he has never thrown for more than 2 td's. Your opinion is quite trendy and again trying to make excuses for Vick.

Also, you said...."His receivers dont get open and they do drop a lot of passes and if they caught all of his passes he would have a over 60% passing and more TDs and yards." To discard your argument quickly: No, his completion percentage would still be well under 60%, he would not have many more td's but, probably one or two, (he wouldn't have as many TD's if Crumpler didn't make some excellent catches so it balances out) and of course he would have more yards. Its not exactly going out on a limb to say (even one more catch for 5 yards would = more yards) he'd have more, but not many more, still well short of 3000, which isn't exactly a milestone for a normal qb, though it may be for someone as poor as Vick, and EVEN when he throws what you may call "lasers" through defenders, the defenders are usually 10-15 yards in front of the receiver. Its the popular thing to say Vicks receivers suck, and I am not saying they are great, but if you put a great qb with them, they would be seen as much better. Oh by the way Terrel Owens has almost as many dropped passes as the entire Falcons team, and you wouldn't be bitching if you had him. Theres the end of your "argument".
 
I meant that many of his throws are simple lobs, and 90% of his td passes were easy ones, which is completely true. NO, they were not "LASERS". His only lasers were one throw from 3 yards out, and another from 12, where he threw it past a guy or two to a receiver. Every qb (even the not-so-good ones: look at Kyle Bollers throw last week) make occasional good throws. He has a strong arm, thats never been doubted. Of course when he tried to bullet it to recievers, a couple of them were by default be complete, since he does have the talent to make such throws. No, Vick didn't "pass all over" anyone last year, especially considering before this year he has never thrown for more than 2 td's. Your opinion is quite trendy and again trying to make excuses for Vick.

Also, you said...."His receivers dont get open and they do drop a lot of passes and if they caught all of his passes he would have a over 60% passing and more TDs and yards." To discard your argument quickly: No, his completion percentage would still be well under 60%, he would not have many more td's but, probably one or two, (he wouldn't have as many TD's if Crumpler didn't make some excellent catches so it balances out) and of course he would have more yards. Its not exactly going out on a limb to say (even one more catch for 5 yards would = more yards) he'd have more, but not many more, still well short of 3000, which isn't exactly a milestone for a normal qb, though it may be for someone as poor as Vick, and EVEN when he throws what you may call "lasers" through defenders, the defenders are usually 10-15 yards in front of the receiver. Its the popular thing to say Vicks receivers suck, and I am not saying they are great, but if you put a great qb with them, they would be seen as much better. Oh by the way Terrel Owens has almost as many dropped passes as the entire Falcons team, and you wouldn't be bitching if you had him. Theres the end of your "argument".
okay i can think of at least 5 plays that were sure TD if the WRs caught them
Michael Jenkins against the Giants 60 yds down the sideline with a perfect throw and he dropped it
Roddy White against the Saints wide open and ball hits him in the hands and he drops it for a sure TD.
Alge Crumpler against the Saints a touch pass in the endzone and he drops it
ashley lelie against the Browns a touch pass in the endzone that hit him in the hands he dropped it.
Michael Jenkins against the Saints touch pass in hte endzone that hits him in the hands he dropped it.

That without even sweating.
 
As far as I ve heard he didnt call the offensive shots at ATL, thats why Vick complained about lack of continuity on offensive gameplan since they changed OC a lot, so if he wasnt the guy in his own team, I doubt he is a real good OC.
Please correct me if Im wrong...

Let me chime in here. Being that I live in the ATL and am forced feed Falcons news all the time from the local media and the local yodel sports fans in the community I can attest in certainty that Jim Mora DOES NOT call offensive plays and actually does not have that much input with the Falcons' offense. Greg Knapp is his buddy and OC. He is the same man that TO wanted to punch in the face and screamed at on the sidelines during the '02 season. TO hated Knapp and how he ran San Frans' offense at the time but of course that is off subject and I will stop that issue right now.

Anyway, Mora's background is the same as daddy Mor's; DEFENSE. It will make more sense for him to move down as a D coordinator somewhere else. The only thing Mora is substantial about concerning offense is that he likes the West Coast but also likes a running game similar to Denver's. Thus the reasoning he brough in Denver's old OL coach to run their running game.

From what I have seen, hear from local fans, and basic knowledge is that Mora runs undisciplined ship and can not get the most out of his talent on the team. IMHO he is a POOR coach, a bad motivator, and basically talks out of both sides of his mouth. In other words, he tries to be a players' coach then on the side throws his own players under the bus. Don't y'all think it is ironic that his dad talked about Vick being a coach killer while his son gets in trouble with his boss, Blank? Yeah really I do think Jr. Mora had a bit to do with all of that behind the scenes. Then of course that controversy about the talk show regarding interest in the Wash. Huskies job if it was available.

Take my word we don't need Mora and this Fins fan here will be awfully upset if he became in any way part of this organization. He is not even a good choice to have input on offensive matters anyway.
 
okay i can think of at least 5 plays that were sure TD if the WRs caught them
Michael Jenkins against the Giants 60 yds down the sideline with a perfect throw and he dropped it
Roddy White against the Saints wide open and ball hits him in the hands and he drops it for a sure TD.
Alge Crumpler against the Saints a touch pass in the endzone and he drops it
ashley lelie against the Browns a touch pass in the endzone that hit him in the hands he dropped it.
Michael Jenkins against the Saints touch pass in hte endzone that hits him in the hands he dropped it.

That without even sweating.
Falcons have 39 drops in 356 attempts
To has 11 drops i think with a broken finger

vick with drops 187/354 52.8%
vick without drops 226/354 63.8%
 
nah

Show where you got the drops statistics. The one without TO is factually incorrect, he has many more. I saw several boards saying 20, but, I believe the correct number is 15. Since you said 11, I am lead to believe your stat of 39 drops is also incorrect. Therefore, you are wrong. Also, those were "sure td's" in your eyes but, not all of those were perfect throws and Crumpler had many catches that should not have been caught.
 
To officially end your "argument"

Alright, so heres the end of your argument. Say that your stat is true. Then go and take every other qb and add the dropped passes to their completions, and see where Vick ranks. It won't be high. Also, some of Vicks passes were dropped because they weren't great throws, or they were thrown to hard (similar to what happened to Brett Favre). Should NFL receivers catch throws behind them, bulleted to them (without reaosn to be thrown that way), as well as the occasional good throws from Vick? YES, but hey...you have to do what you can with what you have. Brady's receivers aren't any better, and hes doing a **** of a lot more. WHOS comparing Vick to Brady though right?! The Atlanta Falcons are! Vick makes as much as Brady AND Manning, and if anyone puts Vick in a catagory with either of those two, they don't deserve to be listened to, except for a good laugh.
and as many of these Dolphins fans said in other threads, when you draft someone, or sign a contract...you want to get what you pay for. The Falcons have NOT got what they paid for, which in the very least is a winner, which really..Vick isn't. As a qb though, Vicks stats are truly BUST-worthy and if you take his ratio of success to expected success based on pay, he'd be the biggest bust of all time. At least Ryan Leaf wasn't continually paid a TON of money and expected by many to have a greta year, which Vick has never had.

"The Falcons have finally leaked reports that they will consider trading Michael Vick with the Raiders being the potential suitors"
There is a report saying the Atlanta Falcons disagree with you, despite being the ones who drafted him and paid him so much.

Also, Vick is a terrible character individual. He is ****y, blames others, and flips off the fans when they tell him the truth. You can't do either of those. No matter what the fans say to you and no matter what happened. He is A LOT of the problem (which is a fact) and even when things go bad other qb's say (we didn't get it done) while Vick says: "they didn't do what they were supposed to, I did everything I was supposed to". He is as selfish and arrogant as they come, not to mention brainless.

He is the worst leader to ever be considered to be put in that role.
 
Rumor is Jim Mora Jr may be on his way out of atlanta, this is a guy i would LOVE to see as our OC, but im conflicted, as much as i would like him here i think we need to stop going in the direction of coordinators that will be here for a year then off as a head coach, and im sure if he is out of atlanta it wont be very long till he is a head coach again and we will be looking for yet another OC. So what is everyone elses opinion on him?

our OC? really? with the most dynamic talented player ( not qb ) this side of mr. tomlinson....he cant score the ball... and is consistently underachieving year aftyer year... maybe he can help out with the special teamers or something of that ilk...
 
no

No, he won't be your offensive coordinator, or anyones -offensive- coordinator for that matter. Vick is a very, VERY selfish player. When players are selfish and worse than they believe themselves to be, they make it hard for coaches to utilize them correctly.
 
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