Josh Rosen Pocket Presence

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  1. rickd13

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    You make a good case. I just do not trust Chris Grier, and I would need to see brilliance from Rosen for me not to want Miami to not pull the trigger on anther qb next season. I would not feel comfortable putting all of my eggs in the Josh Rosen basket.
     
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    Okay.
     
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    How many games are you willing to wait to see this Rosen brilliance?

    You are already setting yourself up to blast him from game one.
     
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    Do you realize how many assistants have gone on to fail after leaving New England? I would say all of them with exception of Bill O'Brien. Where Flores and O'Shea came from mean nothing to me until they prove something on their own.
     
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    That's my whole point. What's going to be enough from him for you not to want to pull the trigger on another qb ? Just because Rosen is here you would not be willing to take someone else next season? I wouldn't put all my stock in him unless he is exceptional. You just can not pass on an opportunity to draft a franchise type qb because Rosen is on your roster.
     
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    Okay fair enough, but let me ask you this. You said they lack vision, right? Coach stated from day one he wanted a smart fundamentally sound football team. They cut all of the unsmart players and salaries off our disaster of a roster freeing up 120million and gaining up to 14 draft picks next year. Fired tannabum and traded tannehill. We drafted one of the highest rated football players who is the academic heisman, 2 time national champion on one of the best college defensive lines of all time first round. Traded a number 62 2nd and 5th round pick for a top 10 blue chip prospect from '18 while gaining a 2nd and 6th which we used on a 3-4th round rated tackle who was a 3 year starter on a major college program. Im failing to see any sign of trainwreck here please enlighten us? I really think your just being overdramtic and emotional based off our history and I would love to talk you off the edge by the end of the day :)
     
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    I understand why you are upset. It has been a long time since we as fans have had anything real and long lasting to be proud of. Got it and more than fair. Also with the Rosen move I can see having doubts about him as an over all talent, as far as being a franchise type QB. That's opinion, and we all have the right to think w/e we/you like. My issue is, automatically conflating decisions of past front offices with this one is not a fair opinion to have, and to try use as ammo to argue your POV. This front office has nothing to do with what has taken place in the past. Although Grier has been around I think we all agree until this year he hasn't been total free to make decisions for this franchise.

    As hard as it may be to do, I think all of us can try and remember that and do our best to keep an open mind about their decisions. When they give us evidence that THEIR decisions are wrong then we can all jump all over them, IMO. Before that it seems unfair to them and to us as fans to conflate them with past front offices.
     
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    I hope as much as anyone that this franchise has turned the corner but until I see proof otherwise I'm not buying it. There has been some promising signs, like the stockpiling of draft picks for next season and not spending big money in free agency, but other things make me really skeptical. Every team talks about wanting smart football players but it's all just blather. How about finding great football players? They haven't proven they can do that yet. Saying you want smart football players isn't a vision of how to build a team. It's knowing how to identify good to great players at the most important positions on a football team and putting them in the best position to succeed and drafting a defensive tackle (a guy that I think may be a great player and who I really like) Instead of moving down and acquiring more draft assets to fix a totally broken offense in a offensive driven era of football gives pause that this franchise has a clear vision of how to build a sustained winner.
     
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    Good point and I would add that in the past Grier had t-dumb by his side......what could he learn from him other than waste money by making a splash in free agency? Now he has a few real football people helping him out. Also, when it comes to Rosen he will have a guy like Caldwell who imo wasn't a great HC but he is a very good QB's coach. On draft day I didn't want to give up anything more than a 3rd round pick for Rosen but when you think about it in a way we only gave up a 5th in 2020 cause the 2nd this year we got back in 2020 and on top of it Artizona already paid most of the money due to him so if he sucks no harm done and we draft another QB.
     
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    I think he's RT 2.0, but hope I'm wrong. Got sacked a bunch; 45 times in 13 games is a lot, considering RT had 35 in 16 games as a rookie, but had arguably a healthier and more talented line. Both are decent scramblers. I think Rosen has a much stronger arm, but weaker mind. I feel like neither have that vocal leadership quality you want in a QB.

    Hopefully I'm just being cynical, but forgive me, its been 6693 days since the Dolphins last won a playoff game
     
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    Fair enough, but I'm 53 years old and I'm getting sick of being told "but this time it's different". Until I see otherwise, it's just more of the same to me.
     
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    You mean you don't want Miami to put one of their eggs in the Josh Rosen basket.
     
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    I see criticisms and complaining like WE are the team on the hook for drafting Rosen last year.

    We are not. We have a golden opportunity to give a legit talent one year to prove himself or we go draft our own.

    Guys, we were gifted a chance to not throw away 2019. This year now has complete relevance to our future.

    If Rosen can't prove it, we go get our own.

    Grier just made 2019 a very important season for the Phins. We get to evaluate a dirt cheap legit prospect in his 2nd year of the NFL.

    This will be viewed as one of Grier's savvier moves. Even if it doesn't pan out, we've lost nothing.

    But we've gained valuable knowledge as an organization on what we want and don't want. This is about the closest you can get to a mulligan when evaluating top tier QB prospects.
     
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    Rosen was a top ranked tennis player so it's hard to believe he is not very athletic at all
     
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    where fin fans where not use to nice things lol
     

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